Mavericky Puig

[BBZ8800]

Puig is worth 15M to 20M at best.

That would imply that he is rated higher than Denis Suarez.

Denis was bought by City, Barca, loaned by Sevilla, Villareal and played 36 matches for youth NT team.

So, several different strong clubs, coaches, youth NT coaches played him.

Then we have Riki Puig, who was only liked by Barca DNA-La Masia romantic Setien for two Months.

I still think that outside of Barca, he will play worse than Alena.
Alena's allround game is better for random La Liga teams.

Puig can play only at a team with 80% of possession, without defending, aerial duels, defending corners etc.

 

[serghei]

What did Puig ever do to prove he is a Barca starting material? Based on what does he have fan base? Honestly it seems that Puig is highly rated for non sporting reasons: Either his social media presence, or his Tom Cruise looks or the fact that Barca fans want some sort of hope in midfield (which has been full filled with Pedri).

Puig is worth 15M to 20M at best.

I don't think more than 1-2 people here said he is Barca starting material. He just plays well generally when trusted which is a universal sign that he should play more minutes. That's all, it's absurd to be against Puig when the discussion is on these terms. Should be fairly obvious that he is a better player than the 5 minutes here and there he's been getting in the last months from Koeman.

The 2 conclusions are fairly obvious in this case. Deserves more time obviously, but won't get it because the manager doesn't like his style, so he should look for a loan. No other option for him as long as Koeman is the manager (which looks to be for another full year at least).

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Maybe he is too bad for barca but if he doesnt get some matches in a row we will never know the truth. He has often showed that he can bring some energy to this team and he did very well against atletico but didnt got much playing time after that. I mean not 5minutes, or 10 minutes or 15 minutes but a full match.

 

[Vilarrubi]

I don't think more than 1-2 people here said he is Barca starting material. He just plays well generally when trusted which is a universal sign that he should play more minutes. That's all, it's absurd to be against Puig when the discussion is on these terms. Should be fairly obvious that he is a better player than the 5 minutes here and there he's been getting in the last months from Koeman.

The 2 conclusions are fairly obvious in this case. Deserves more time obviously, but won't get it because the manager doesn't like his style, so he should look for a loan. No other option for him as long as Koeman is the manager (which looks to be for another full year at least).

Yeah, he’s played 197 mins in La Liga this season. Pjanic has played 599..... so he does deserve more for sure.

 

[serghei]

Yeah, he?s played 197 mins in La Liga this season. Pjanic has played 599..... so he does deserve more for sure.

Yea, but if he does nothing confronted with this reality, he's dumb as a brick, or extremely immature.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Yea, but if he does nothing confronted with this reality, he's dumb as a brick, or extremely immature.

Seen reports last week of him going on loan next season. Should definitely do it.

 

[Bobo32]

Modric played for Dinamo Zagreb.
But aged 18 went on a loan to one club and next year to the other 1st division club.
He gained a lot of experience.

At the age of 20 he returned to Dinamo and orchestrated their play.
For example, 2006, CL qualifiers vs Arsenal, who was top3 EPL team back then.
Modric was 20 years and 11 months young at this match (Puig will be 22 in 3 months):
https://youtu.be/9DrT0JQbiuE

So it's 10 months difference between that game and Puig now, 10 months ago Puig played greatly vs Atletico...

There are no perfect comparisons between players, every case is different, but people like vegitot could very well be as negative about KDB or Modric in points of their carreers, that was my point. I never doubted Modric, but I didn't follow him too closely. I remember always raving about him after watching him with Croatia in 2008 or if it was in 2006 even, and wondering how he ended up in Tottenham and wasn't even surrounded with extreme hype in England but played out of position and so on. When he arrived at Real for ?30m aged 27 I was correctly thinking it should be a big improvement to their midfield, but Mourinho preferred more physical players like Khedira and Alonso. Maybe I would be ridiculed here back then if I said Modric should be the obvious starter out of these three, and named him a top 5 midfielder in the world...

I am not sure Puig has the potential to be as great as Modric, and I can't compare his ability now to Modric at his age, but I'm talking about the way a career develops. I think the discussion on Puig's ability should be based on what is seen when he is on the pitch, not on how managers rate him.

 

[BBZ8800]

So it's 10 months difference between that game and Puig now, 10 months ago Puig played greatly vs Atletico...

Atletico was a match in a covid season, without fouls, fans, fight, physical duels or too much importance.

Also, all these players are top footballers.
All of them know how to play football and they will have world class matches here and there.
Gomes, Denis, Deulofeu, Tello, Munir, Samper, Alena, Roberto as a CM, Rafinha.
They all had some world class performances, but that doesn't make them good enough for Barcelona.

Griezmann who played for years for Atletico and who won a WC with France struggles here.
Dembele and Coutinho who had awesome seasons before Barca, struggle here.

Yet, you are making a case for Puig out of 1 match.

Arthur had at least 20 world class matches for Barca but in the end, he was not good enough.

Puig played one good game and had a few 5 minutes cameos against dead tired Mickey Mouse opponents where we had 90% of possession.

 

[Rory]

Arthur had at least 20 world class matches for Barca but in the end, he was not good enough.

woah woah woah, what? You actually believe this? After all you said about him hahaha. 20 world class games is quite a lot in 2-3 seasons considering injuries. Could it be you rated Arthur after all?

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

woah woah woah, what? You actually believe this? After all you said about him hahaha. 20 world class games is quite a lot in 2-3 seasons considering injuries. Could it be you rated Arthur after all?

🤣🤣🤣

 

[JamDav1982]

So it's 10 months difference between that game and Puig now, 10 months ago Puig played greatly vs Atletico...

There are no perfect comparisons between players, every case is different, but people like vegitot could very well be as negative about KDB or Modric in points of their carreers, that was my point. I never doubted Modric, but I didn't follow him too closely. I remember always raving about him after watching him with Croatia in 2008 or if it was in 2006 even, and wondering how he ended up in Tottenham and wasn't even surrounded with extreme hype in England but played out of position and so on. When he arrived at Real for ?30m aged 27 I was correctly thinking it should be a big improvement to their midfield, but Mourinho preferred more physical players like Khedira and Alonso. Maybe I would be ridiculed here back then if I said Modric should be the obvious starter out of these three, and named him a top 5 midfielder in the world...

I am not sure Puig has the potential to be as great as Modric, and I can't compare his ability now to Modric at his age, but I'm talking about the way a career develops. I think the discussion on Puig's ability should be based on what is seen when he is on the pitch, not on how managers rate him.

Same old nonsense pretending watched Modric at an early age.

Has no comparison to Puig anyway and no more than the vast vast majority that are not good enough at 18/20 that then dont make it. Less so infact.

 

[vegitot]

Same old nonsense pretending watched Modric at an early age.

Has no comparison to Puig anyway and no more than the vast vast majority that are not good enough at 18/20 that then dont make it. Less so infact.

Now compare Puig to Modric...

Modric at 22 already shone for Croatia at Euro 2008. Puig is bench warmer for U21 youth team.

Puig is the most overrated Masia player right now.

 

[vegitot]

That would imply that he is rated higher than Denis Suarez.

Denis was bought by City, Barca, loaned by Sevilla, Villareal and played 36 matches for youth NT team.

So, several different strong clubs, coaches, youth NT coaches played him.

Then we have Riki Puig, who was only liked by Barca DNA-La Masia romantic Setien for two Months.

I still think that outside of Barca, he will play worse than Alena.
Alena's allround game is better for random La Liga teams.

Puig can play only at a team with 80% of possession, without defending, aerial duels, defending corners etc.

With right marketting, it is possible.

 

[Nazario1985]

This is a pure waist of a potential good player. But managers nowadays have zero patience.

Still remembering the debut of Xavi and how everyone was saying he is no bar?a material even if he took too much time to flurish we all know how it turned up.

This kid IS barca material just like Alena

People saying Alena is doing bad outside bar?a remember that Except players like Messi/Iniesta/Ronaldinho/Suarez ... etc the rest will play like shit in teams with different mentalities.

Meanwhile ... Trincao

 

[JamDav1982]

This is a pure waist of a potential good player. But managers nowadays have zero patience.

Still remembering the debut of Xavi and how everyone was saying he is no bar?a material even if he took too much time to flurish we all know how it turned up.

This kid IS barca material just like Alena

People saying Alena is doing bad outside bar?a remember that Except players like Messi/Iniesta/Ronaldinho/Suarez ... etc the rest will play like shit in teams with different mentalities.

Meanwhile ... Trincao

Alena is nowhere near good enough for Barca and has shown that in the team and away from it.

Every single top Barca first team player in recent years would have been a top player at other clubs so that excuse doesnt wash.

Nor is it anything to do with 'patience' of coaches.