Mesut Ozil

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Learo

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Think about it, if he has an average season compared to his usual form, one year left on his contract, 29 years old and desire to only join United who is going to pay 200 mil?
Monaco or Psg are the only realistic ones he might join who could offer money close to 100 mil, United can't and definitely won't.

They managed to get 50m for Ozil who they wanted to flog ASAP in a desperate move at the end of the window, so 200m for ronaldo seems likely. things change if he doesnt renew of course.

with a long-term contract, i dont see any reason why madrid wont be able to get 4 times as much for him as from the desperate ozil sale. the oil money clubs (PSG, Monaco, Chelsea, City) will pay whatever Madrid demands in a ferocious bidding war to "make a statement" and increase their image on the world stage. Madrid are usually excellent when it comes to squeezing money out of buyers. When they managed to squeeze 42m euros out of City for Robinho, the sky is the limit.
 

Toecrusher

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...Ramos said he's the last person he'd sell
...Arbeloa thought it was a joke
...CRonaldo upset cos he left
...Khedira thinking he's the only player like him in the world
...and these are just the PUBLIC statements

If the RM players didnt really want Bale before, boy would they be pissed now. Wonder if Bale knows what he's getting himself into...
 

El Gato

Villarato!
I saw this article and had to get it translated, because it picks up on so many good points about Ozil:

Life in Madrid: The disagreement of Oz


After outstanding matches they said his game is like "Turkish silk with German finishes". The two guys of tiki-taka (Xavi-Iniesta) stated he was the only Real player fulfilling their sophisticated criteria for a genius. The best #10 Los Blancos had since Figo has only just left for Arsenal. Mesut Oezil leaves behind the money from the historical club record breaking transfer fee of 45 million euro, but also thousands of fans crushed because of his uncanny talent. They still can't get believe the fact that this merciless market put a value on him that is a half of what was paid for Gareth Bale. When the Oezil bomb went off in the last day of the transfer window, everyone was shocked and asking: "Who on earth set it up?"

Real is not and was never a club to gain money on transfers (here on the all time list we can still see a 21 million euro sale of Redondo to Milan... 13 years ago). This summer, for the first time in history Real managed to collect over 100 million euros from selling players. To this date, if anyone was leaving Madrid, it was always with a tail between their legs and a "fracasado" (loser) tag. The list of these "great unfulfilled players", even though some have regenerated, is very long: Robinho, Anelka, Robben, Owen, Sneijder, Kaka... Oezil is not on it. In Madrid, from a promising talent bought from Werder Bremen for 15 mln euros, in three years became the world's most expensive and valuable offensive midfielder. Numero Uno.

In Spain you call players like Mesut "los peloteros". Faultless ball control, unparalleled for a typical German player easiness of touches and fakes, sixth sense for creating the offense. Simply talent. Above all however Oezil is the master of "pase de la muerte" - the last, deadly pass. A masterpiece. 85 of these passes Real's players converted to goals - 27 of them by Cristiano Ronaldo. Most important one Oezil created this way: starts off in the centre of the pitch, drives to the right wing, stops, two, three seconds, Busquets loses control over marking in midfield and a pass takes place. It's the assist to Ronaldo that gave Real Madrid a 2:1 win in April 2012 at Camp Nou over Barca. Oezil was called one of the fathers of "Liga de los Records" (100 points and 121 goals).

Bernabeu expected Mesut to always be their "Wizard of Oz". Unfortunately, in this football art great pieces (backheels to Benzema against Ajax and Ronaldo at El Madrigal against Villarreal) interweaved with bad pieces. Easily wasted chances in the return leg against Dortmund and in Copa Del Rey final against Atletico Madrid costed Real their place in Champions League final and the Spanish Cup. One day a "genio" (genius), next day a "vago" (lazy) - that's how Spanish media summed up Ozil's game. However, he was criticized not for the lack of consistency on the highest level, but not more than for his way of life. The player's nightlife has imprinted the worst stigma upon the German. In "zona noble" (metaphor for the VIP lounge at Bernabeu) a saying became popular that "70 kilograms of Ozil at 5am in Marmara (nightclub 100m away from the stadium), is not the same as 70 kilograms of Roberto Carlos in Marmara at 7am". Not sleeping well, messy diet and a couple of tonic drinks painted across his face - Oezil's tag since the beginning of the last season prompting Mou to bench him. As retaliation, Sergio Ramos wore Oezil's shirt underneath his own one against Deportivo. Today Real's defender states that "if he had to get rid of anyone from Madrid, Ozil would be one of the last people on his list".

In spring Mesut returned to a great form. As quickly as his game stabilized, Mustafa Oezil went to Jose Angel Sanchez's office (marketing director, Florentino's right hand). Over the past two years Mesut's dad became the most dedicated father, aside Higuain's papa, in fighting for a raise for his victimised son. Oezil was earning 4.5 million euros per year at Real. A salary way too low for a player who ends the season with at least 10+ assists. 2 millions less than Ramos and Casillas, 6 millions less than Kaka and Ronaldo. A daylight robbery. In June Mustafa demanded Real to increase Mesut's wages. He counted, estimated and came up with a salary on the level of Cristiano Ronaldo. Real of course laughed in his face. In July the likeable Mustafa decreased his demands to 9 million. Real laughed even harder. Now Arsenal will pay Oezil 7.5 million euro per season.

The last nail to Mesut's coffin in Real was smashed in by Ancelotti. Light, technical, never strength-based style of the German fit perfectly to a tactic based on long ball possession of Real Madrid's new manager. In the Italian manager's tactical geometry, in these triangles and diamonds Mesut was supposed to play a key role. What happened then? By the end of July Ancelotti called upon a special meeting of key offensive players in Valdebebas (that excluded Ronaldo): Modrić, Di Maria, Isco, Oezil, Kaka and Benzema. Carletto instructed them all to concentrate like never before, to maximize their effort during training sessions and friendly matches, something that some of them did not display in the final matches of the last season. Oezil did not understand the message, or did not want to understand it. When half of Madrid was crossing out days in the calendar to see "creme de la creme" of the new Real - German playing alongside Isco in the starting lineup, it turned out that Mesut lost his place to the 2 years younger Spaniard. He also lost to Di Maria. One time pass for the stay in Madrid was won by the Argentine. According to Ancelotti it's due to "larger versatility in 4-3-3, tearing his lungs up during training sessions, and above all for the reaction to being that 12th player in the team". First two games of the season confirmed it. When Arsenal approached Florentino Perez, Real Madrid president already had Carlo's opinion on his desk. The deal was made. On one side an absolute financial achievement, on the other a measure to calm down the society's conscience that was wound up by Bale's price tag. And a pain in the ass Mustafa will not be strolling around the hallways anymore either.

For Florentino Oezil was a 100% candidate to receive Ballon D'Or in the nearest future. He finished his career in Real Madrid as a reserve against Athletic Bilbao. A few days earlier during the press conference he swore to Spanish journalists that he will not leave Madrid. He swore in German (maybe that's why no one believed him). Spanish, like Khedira, he didn't even bother to learn. Did he not adapt? He was liked in the dressing room. Well, just another ciphered up individualist.


by Rafal Lebiedzinski
Polish correspondent for weszlo.com (largest Polish football pundit site) in Madrid
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
What a statement. :lol: I wonder why I can't feel sorry for him...

Apparently, Arbeloa thought the transfer was a joke at first.



Agreed, especially since he expressed he wanted to return to ManU anyway...

Ramos, Özil's best friend in the RM squad, fuming about the club's decision to sell Özil, reportedly said something to the effect of "if I were the owner of RM, Özil would be the last player I sell. I would sell myself first before I sell Özil.." :worthy:
 

suckabov

Lemon curry?
Ramos, Özil's best friend in the RM squad, fuming about the club's decision to sell Özil, reportedly said something to the effect of "if I were the owner of RM, Özil would be the last player I sell. I would sell myself first before I sell Özil.." :worthy:

And that coming from Ramos. I can't help but like him (when he's not currently playing against us, that is). :wub:

Just the second bromance destroyed this summer, after Götzeus (third if you count Özil/Khedira)...
 

Yannick03

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Can't believe Florentino is so stupid to let Ozil leave. He was the only player Madrid have (had) that I really feared. They better hope Isco is ready to dictate the play cause they really need someone who can pick his passes. Imagine a Madrid side with Ozil and Bale, Ronaldo on the flanks with Mesut providing his godly throughballs Then I'd be really worried. Good thing for us, almost every goal Madrid scored against us in the past 2 seasons Ozil provided the assist...
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Two very interesting takes on Özil's departure, in defense of RM's decision to sell him...

Why Real Madrid had to sell Mesut Özil
By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Writer

"Don't sell Ozil," they screamed. The fans had come along to the Santiago Bernabeu to welcome new signing Gareth Bale on Monday, but they also had a message for Florentino Perez. The president put his finger to his lips, however, to silence the chants. And hours later, Mesut was gone.

Some of the players echoed the fans' frustrations. "If I were in charge at Madrid, Ozil would be one of the last to be leaving," Sergio Ramos said. And Alvaro Arbeloa added: "He said goodbye on Sunday, but I thought he was joking. Ozil is different; there is no-one else like him in the world - it's a shame and a big loss."

Former coach Jose Mourinho was also surprised Madrid allowed Ozil to leave. "He is unique," the Portuguese pondered. "The best number 10 in the world." Two years ago, Mourinho had spoken of building a "young team for the future" at the Santiago Bernabeu. And Ozil was supposed to be a big part of that.

Now he will not be, but Madrid's move for Bale brought with it the need to recoup some funds and even though Real recovered almost €60 million through the sales of Gonzalo Higuain, Raul Albiol and Jose Callejon to Napoli, all of that and more had been splashed on a summer spending spree which saw Perez purchase midfielder Asier Illarramendi for an estimated €38m, Isco for €30m, defender Dani Carvajal for €6.5m and pivot Casemiro for €6m. All of that before Bale's €100m move from Tottenham.

Madrid had been prepared to include Angel Di Maria in the deal to buy Bale from Spurs, but the Argentina attacker chose to stay and fight for his future at the Bernabeu and impressed coach Carlo Ancelotti in pre-season. When the Italian asked his forwards for extra intensity in training, Di Maria responded. Ozil did not.

The German was included in Madrid's first official game this term, a hard-fought 2-1 win over Betis at the Bernabeu in which summer signing Isco shone to save his side. He had been paired with Ozil in a four-man midfield also featuring Luka Modric and Sami Khedira, but overshadowed the German with an assist and the late goal which gave the team all three points.

But Betis had caused Madrid all sorts of problems and Ancelotti called for better defensive discipline from his midfielders. "Isco and Ozil have to learn how to defend," the Italian said. "We need quality players, but they must work defensively. That's the key to the season, finding the balance with quality players."

Ozil was restored to his usual role in the centre for the trip to Granada in the second round of La Liga, but again Isco impressed from a deeper spot, while Di Maria created the only goal of the game for Karim Benzema with a pass to Ronaldo. Substituted with an hour gone, the German trudged off indignantly, walked straight to the showers and boarded the coach as soon as the final whistle had been blown. It was the last time he was to be seen on the pitch for Madrid.

On Sunday, Isco starred once again as he hit two goals in the 3-1 win at home to Athletic Bilbao. The other, a Cristiano Ronaldo header, had come from a Di Maria free kick and, without Ozil, Madrid played their finest football of the season.

The German had been on the bench and did not play a single minute. And by the end of the day, his move to Arsenal had been all agreed,

But the popular playmaker never looked likely to be first choice under Ancelotti. The Italian was unimpressed by Ozil's attitude in training and, although he wanted to keep the German at the club, he understood that a sale was necessary following the significant outlay on Bale and the funds needed to offer Ronaldo a new contract.

Madrid had long looked to remove Kaka from their wage bill and the Brazilian moved on for free to former team AC Milan on Monday. But still the club looked to recoup extra funds and with Di Maria having forced his way into Ancelotti's plans, Ozil ended up being the one to leave.

Real were also unhappy at the German's constant push (via his father) for an improved contract. Ozil had demanded parity with Ronaldo and, when that request was refused, asked for an additional €2m per year. He will now double his money at Arsenal. And the move made sense. At his brilliant best, Ozil may be - as Mourinho claims - the finest number 10 in world football. Yet too often at Madrid he would struggle with his fitness, running out of steam late in games. Never one of the side's strongest characters, there was also a tendency to go missing mentally in the very big matches. When he was at his prime both physically and mentally, he could be unplayable - but that was by no means all of the time.

With Isco and Bale on board, he was never likely to be first choice, either. Or rarely. Lacking the defensive discipline to play in central midfield (even compared to Modric, who won the ball back brilliantly against Athletic), the German struggles on the right because he is unable to go wide, lacks pace, cuts inside constantly and rarely tracks back. Both Bale and Di Maria are better options here, in any case.

That just leaves the playmaker position and that role is reserved for Isco. The former Malaga man is more of an all-round player than Ozil; more athletic, quicker, stronger and able to operate in a number of different positions, the Spain star also boasts brilliant vision and tremendous technique. Crucially, he will score goals as well. So far, he has hit three already in just three games and also set up one of Madrid's other three strikes in 2013-14. At 21, he is also nowhere near his peak. Whether he can go to form such a successful association with Ronaldo remains to be seen (Ozil set up 27 goals for Cristiano in three seasons), but all of the talent is there for him to become an ever better player than the German. Arguably, in fact, he is already there.

So instead of being left with an unhappy player struggling for consistency, Madrid have cashed in with the biggest sale in their history (€42m for Robinho in 2008 was the previous high). And although fans will remember how Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder were forced to move on against their will to accommodate Kaka and Ronaldo in 2009, this transfer was as much about Ozil's attitude and unwillingness to stay and fight as it was about making money for Madrid. So despite his tremendous talent, it was probably the best solution in the end. The only solution.
 

Luftstalag14

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The second one:

Mesut Özil Sold to Arsenal for 50M€: Analysis of A Good Move for Real Madrid

This post's intention is not to offend Mesut Özil's fans. This is just the author's opinion on why Real Madrid completed a good move by selling him for 50M€. If you don't agree with the arguments stated, please try to answer them with more arguments in a respectful way.
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Mesut Özil is a good player. He might even be a great player, one of those who can decisively help the team win titles. He's the starting playmaker for Germany and he's been Real's starter for three seasons, when he had Kaka' as his main competitor. The club decided to buy Isco this summer and Ancelotti changed the playing style to a much more possession-oriented kind of game. Özil didn't like to be moved to the right wing. There, he had to work defensively a lot more and Isco was starting to get the playmaking spotlight. Mesut Özil decided to sign for Arsenal -a club in which he will likely not touch any silverware in the upcoming years- instead of fighting against his first true competitor for the spot. That's what happened. And that proves that Real Madrid did well by selling him for 50M€.

First of all, Özil doesn't suit Ancelotti's idea of football really well. Özil is a playmaker who always wants to finish the plays with an assist. He has enough skills and technique to play possession football, but he doesn't have the patience. Isco does. Both of them like to assist and they are great with the ball on their feet, but Isco likes to drift back to get the ball and control the tempo of the game while Özil waits on the offensive line to finish everything with a brilliant assist. In other words, Isco could and can play in a three-man midfield while Özil is a much more aggressive number 10.

Carlo Ancelotti is not using a number 10 in his Real Madrid so far. He's playing 4-3-3 for the moment, and he will likely finish with the 4-4-2 experiment seen in some games with the arrival of Gareth Bale. That means that Özil was never going to be playing in his natural position. And with Bale's arrival, Ancelotti will have a better right winger than Mesut Özil. Not a better number 10, but a better right winger.

Ángel Di María was supposed to be sold as soon as Bale signed with Real Madrid. He was played out of position in the start of the preseason and yet he kept working and fighting for a spot in Real Madrid's roster. Real Madrid played against Granada what was a quite difficult game without any defensive midfielders and Di María single-handedly balanced the team's defensive composure with an amazing work rate. Di María will have a secondary role after Bale's arrival, but he has decided to fight for every ball in every training session to convince Carlo Ancelotti. Mesut Özil -probably ill-advised by his father and agent Mustafa- decided to take the easy road and the money to London instead.

Mustafa Özil has been wanting to get his soon a bigger contract for two straight summers now. He was earning close to 5M€ per year and according to reports he wanted to get close to 10M€ -more than Ramos and Casillas and the same than Cristiano Ronaldo-. Mustafa even said that Barcelona's play was built around Messi while Real Madrid's wasn't built around Özil, and that's not a healthy comparison.

Mesut probably wanted to make sure that he is going to play the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil. There's a fierce competition going on in the German National Team with players like Götze, Reus, Kroos, Thomas Müller and maybe even Julian Draxler. Thing is, Mesut Özil showed he doesn't have the necessary ambition to fight for a spot in a team like Real Madrid. And that attitude reflects on the pitch as well.

Everyone can find a brilliant Mesut Özil assist in some key moments of important matches, that's for certain. But what about goals? He's an attacking midfielder that hasn't scored a single screamer since he joined Real Madrid three seasons ago. Isco has two on his pocket in just three games with the club. In fact, Özil's good chances of scoring in key matches for the club are full of disappointments like his missed chance against Getafe in the second Liga BBVA fixture (Real Madrid lost both the game and La Liga in that match) and the shot that went wide when he faced Weidenfeller in the second leg against Borussia Dortmund.

Ancelotti doesn't play with a number 10. Real Madrid will play with Bale on the right wing because the coaching staff believes he's better for that position than Özil, and Mesut didn't accept to be on the bench and fight like Di María. Arsenal offered 50M€ and Real Madrid sold the German playmaker. Those are undeniable facts.

Of course it would have been great to keep Mesut Özil. But this is not Football Manager and you need to consider the players' egos and attitudes. That's what Real Madrid, Carlo Ancelotti and Florentino Pérez did and that's why it might be much simpler for everybody at the club to keep Ángel Di María.
 
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mazp

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Difference is that while Madrid manages to sell fringe players that wants to to leave for good prices, while we release them on a free transfer. Its amazing that Madrid manages to get so much money for their bench players or players that are not counted on. That usually lowers the price substantially. Albiol for 12m, Callejon for 10m, these are amazing prices. We release those types of players on free transfers.

Keep in mind that Abiol and Callejon are 27 and 26 yrs of age, so they always would have suitors. Both were starters at their previous clubs (before joining Madrid)and in the case of Abiol a Spanish international. So I think those prices were fair market prices.
 

Luftstalag14

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I will start watching Arsenal for sure.

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Learo

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Keep in mind that Abiol and Callejon are 27 and 26 yrs of age, so they always would have suitors. Both were starters at their previous clubs (before joining Madrid)and in the case of Abiol a Spanish international. So I think those prices were fair market prices.

The difference is stark when compared to the 2m we got for Villa who is far superior to Albiol and Callejon even if he's older. We got 3m euros for Caceres, after being unable to sell him for two years. He was a Uruguay international and 23 years old. Your argument doesnt stack up against the Barca history of transfers. Hleb was a starter at his previous club, a star, but we released him on a free transfer. Thats what we do with bench players, like Albiol and Callejon were. We simply are unable to get proper money for out of favor players, unlike Madrid.

Whats interesting is that even if players flop at Madrid, the club is still able to shift them for a profit or close to profit. They paid like 4m for Callejon and flogged him for 10m. Robinho was shifted for 42m to City after flopping at Madrid. We loan out all our flops until the end of their contract. The difference is big.
 
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mazp

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The difference is stark when compared to the 2m we got for Villa who is far superior to Albiol and Callejon even if he's older. We got 3m euros for Caceres, after being unable to sell him for two years. He was a Uruguay international and 23 years old. Your argument doesnt stack up against the Barca history of transfers. Hleb was a starter at his previous club, a star, but we released him on a free transfer. Thats what we do with bench players, like Albiol and Callejon were. We simply are unable to get proper money for out of favor players, unlike Madrid.

Whats interesting is that even if players flop at Madrid, the club is still able to shift them for a profit or close to profit. They paid like 4m for Callejon and flogged him for 10m. Robinho was shifted for 42m to City after flopping at Madrid. We loan out all our flops until the end of their contract. The difference is big.

They have better flops then we do. lol
 

suckabov

Lemon curry?
I will start watching Arsenal for sure.
Same. As for those articles you posted, quite interesting. But whatever they were intending with his transfer - it's Real Madrid, I hope it will not pay off. As such, I'm happy about the transfer. He's been one of my favourite players since 2009 and I've never really liked him at Real, first because it's Real, second because I don't think he lived up to his potential there. Switching to Arsenal and taking over more responsibility will surely help him and might turn him into an all-time great. Quite excited to see how it will go on for him :)
 

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