Neymar Jr. - v5

[Total-Football]

Ronaldo, at any point of his career, was not half the dribbler that Neymar is. during his Manchester united he relied massively on his acceleration which was second to none.. the step overs were only used to give him a very slim head start which was enough to go past defenders .. now that he lost his acceleration he can't go pass anyone, step overs or no step overs. Neymar however has that excellent close control that players like hazard has, and is fast as well.

 

[Sneer]

Ronaldo still does his useless step overs. Haha. It's good entertainment, though. His dribbling.

But maybe you're right about that. Look at Messi, the guy does everything so he can either pass a goal or score a goal. Neymar does these tricks to entertain, which is nice, but at the end it might not be the most effective play most of the time. Messi is who he should be studying.

In recent times, can you remind me when last Neymar dribbled just for showmanship when we haven't been leading comfortably?
Virtually all our last 15 or more games have been played under pressure.
As far as i can remember he only dribbles when he is trying to go around or past a player. People who don't get it either have a poor sense of the game or have never played even in school or just for fun.
Playing on the flanks is the hardest fucking job after that of the DM. You have very limited space, and are hence predictable (dribble, run past, or pass to your right or left depending on what wing you play)

 

[Neymessi]

Nah we dont.
We do know that you dont really care how Barca plays as long as Neymar does well and that you'll be first to sign up to any club forum when Ney leaves and then annoy regular fans there as well.

Amazing deduction How did you arrive to that? Because I don't think neymar should be sold to PSG? ok.

We play much much better with him. Without him there is not a single consistent playmaker apart from messi. Crowd out messi and the team can't create chances for shit. Sideways passes with hardly any direct penetration happens unless messi does some individual magic.

He is the engine of our attack. One can keep looking at final stats like goal count etc and yeah he sucks at finishing but he more than makes up for it in other areas. I remember messidependencia 3 seasons ago. There was a finishing problem at that time without messi and also a chance creation problem without him. In a nutshell suarez has fixed the scoring problem and neymar has fixed the other one.

No idea how people keep can think and argue we suck with him and would be better off without him.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

As far as i can remember he only dribbles when he is trying to go around or past a player. People who don't get it either have a poor sense of the game or have never played even in school or just for fun.

Yea he's not dribbling air. Thx. He does dribble sideways instead of passing the ball multiple times per game though.

Playing on the flanks is the hardest fucking job after that of the DM.

Ah, be sure to tell our CBs, GKs, fullbacks (did you include them ?), midfielders.

He is the engine of our attack. One can keep looking at final stats like goal count etc and yeah he sucks at finishing but he more than makes up for it in other areas.

yaaaay interceptions !!!!

 

[Cool]

You cant convince them, you just can't.

 

[BBZ8800]

In recent times, can you remind me when last Neymar dribbled just for showmanship when we haven't been leading comfortably?

Lol, mate.

I'll post this video for 1000 times because in those 7 minutes you can find every single example of what is wrong with Neymar's play.
So, open a video and watch the first action in a match:

He has the ball at the center of a pitch, is surrounded by 2 opponents and instead of passing the ball to one of his other 10 teammates who are in a better position (and not surrounded with 2 opponents), he starts dribbling backwards and doing that crap which I have explained a few days ago when he DOESN'T want to pass the ball and is ASKING to get fouled.
Some will say: he is not asking, they don't have to kick him.
Well, imo, this crap which he is doing when dribbling backwards and hogging the ball (and doesn't want to pass) is equal to that thing when a player hogs the ball near the corner flag in the last minutes of the match to steal some time and in those moments a player with the ball KNOWS that the opponents will surround him and eventually start to kick him in order to get the ball.
But a guy with the ball knows that and he intentionally does it to save some time and keep the possession for his team.

Now, when Neymar is doing this crap, he did the same thing like 500 times already and he was kicked and fouled deep in his half of a field probably in 480 out of those 500 actions.
So, basically, in this action from the video:
1. what is the point of dribbling and hogging the ball in his half?
He won't score a goal, he won't give a good pass, he won't dribble past 5 defenders.
Plus, he is ruining an action for his other 9 (or 10) teammates who are in a better position. His team basically has 9 players vs 8 defenders now since 2 players are marking Neymar. But he doesn't want to take the advantage of that.
This is just plain retarded decision from him.

And then when he repeats the same crap 5 times per match, stats will add 4-5 dribbles into his stats.
Dribbles which led to absolutely nothing except killing the flow of his team, hogging the ball, stopping the play and whining on a ground (after a foul) and his fanboys saying: omg, Neymar gets kicked so much! Lol.

There are similar idiotic decisions from him, the other one is when he runs around the box with the ball, from the left with 2 players on his back, then towards center (with 3-4 players on his back) and then again backwards towards our goal until he finally gets fouled.

There is a joke in my country for players like him: "pass the ball" button on his Playstation4 controller is broken, this is why a poor man can't pass the ball and he just runs around like an idiot with the ball until he either scores a goal or gets fouled.

 

[BBZ8800]

Ronaldo, at any point of his career, was not half the dribbler that Neymar is. during his Manchester united he relied massively on his acceleration which was second to none.. the step overs were only used to give him a very slim head start which was enough to go past defenders .. now that he lost his acceleration he can't go pass anyone, step overs or no step overs. Neymar however has that excellent close control that players like hazard has, and is fast as well.

Young CR7 was the most fun player in the world (with Ronaldinho), to watch back then (Messi didn't exist back then and Ronaldinho just came to Barca).
I wasn't a fan of Man Utd, but I was watching their matches all the time and hoping that a young CR7 will come in and offer some fun and magic.

He was a fun player to watch back then, but with low to average end product in terms of assists and goals in his early seasons in Man Utd.
Later he turned into way less entertaining player, but into a goalscoring machine.

So, he turned from an extremely entertaining player who was entertaining neutral fans, but who wasn't helping his team as much as he could.
=> into a NOT too entertaining player, the 2nd best player in the world with out of this world stats and end product

But, CR7 was 23 and 24 years old in his last Man Utd's years when he was already an influental (and not entertaining) player.
He came to RM aged 24.

Neymar is already already than CR7 (when CR7 changed the way of playing).
Neymar is 25 and a half already and will be 26 during the next season.
So, even if Neymar can learn to how to change his style of play and decisions, when will it happen?
He isn't a kid anymore.

Anyway, about a young CR7 and that he wasn't great dribbler or not a half of Neymar, imo, that is not true.
18 years old young CR7 and his Man Utd's debut in 2003:
(Also, look at how his style of play has changed since then):

 

[JerseyAddict]

Neymar statis in La Liga this season:



Goals 9
Time for goal: 264 min
Goals per match 0.3
Shots per match 2.7
Missed big: 8
Asists: 10
Successful pases per match 40.9 (72%)
Big chances created: 13



Compare it with Messi.

 

[BBZ8800]

Compare it with Messi.

No need to compare it with Messi.
Even Pedro had better stats and a team played more fluent with him.

And as a team, we were winning equally or even more.

Ok, there are tons of factors involved.
But on larger samples, like 4 years, it is hard to tell whether Neymar actually improved Barca at all.

We do have more dribbles, though.
And play more individual than ever.

Is it because of Lucho or because of nature of Msn, time will tell.

 

[Kuchi]

People using this dribble sideways argument should really give it a rest. Neymar is one of the very very few players we have that can absorb pressure, keeping possession, up pitch giving time for his colleagues to get into more advantageous/free positions.

How many times we found ourselves suffocated in our half, how great was it to see a player actually receive a ball while having opponents on his back and keep pushing the team transition due to his control skills. That only a very few others do for us, especially under Lucio's pseudo midfield.

It's called positive transition under pressing and it's very important for us.

 

[gasgas]

Neymar has proven that with a proper functioning midfield, he can be a UCL top scorer, UCL final goalscorer, CDR final goalscorer and hit 40+ goals.

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] back then you said if Ney accomplishes these, he becomes a legend in your eyes.

It seems now you have conveniently shifted the focus




He has been atrocious for a year but I am 100% certain that with proper midfield he will show his quality next season as a top 3 player in the world

 

[gasgas]

Neymar has proven that with a proper functioning midfield, he can be a UCL top scorer, UCL final goalscorer, CDR final goalscorer and hit 40+ goals.

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] back then you said if Ney accomplishes these, he becomes a legend in your eyes.

It seems now you have conveniently shifted the focus




He has been atrocious for a year but I am 100% certain that with proper midfield he will show his quality next season as a top 3 player in the world

 

[El Guaje]

No need to compare it with Messi.
Even Pedro had better stats and a team played more fluent with him.

And as a team, we were winning equally or even more.

Ok, there are tons of factors involved.
But on larger samples, like 4 years, it is hard to tell whether Neymar actually improved Barca at all.

We do have more dribbles, though.
And play more individual than ever.

Is it because of Lucho or because of nature of Msn, time will tell.

Were we winning because of Pedro or were there bigger factors involved like having a competent coach, midfield consisting of some of the best CMs of all time, better defence, teams not yet used to handle the style of play, hungrier players, competitors were miles behind compared to today etc etc?

We have the best LW in the world by far and who on his day is #1 and you ask if he has improved the team at all... lulz and to blame everything on him is just pathetic.

 

[mark1nhu]

People using this dribble sideways argument should really give it a rest. Neymar is one of the very very few players we have that can absorb pressure, keeping possession, up pitch giving time for his colleagues to get into more advantageous/free positions.

How many times we found ourselves suffocated in our half, how great was it to see a player actually receive a ball while having opponents on his back and keep pushing the team transition due to his control skills. That only a very few others do for us, especially under Lucio's pseudo midfield.

It's called positive transition under pressing and it's very important for us.

What you have described just happened in the last Raki goal. It all started with him "hogging the ball" with his back to the opponent's side, until he found Messi between the lines.

This shit happens all the fucking time but they don't see, of course. Who cares about what happens 2-3 passes before the actual goal? Highlight watchers certainly not.

 

[abiabi]

No need to compare it with Messi.
Even Pedro had better stats and a team played more fluent with him.

And as a team, we were winning equally or even more.

Ok, there are tons of factors involved.
But on larger samples, like 4 years, it is hard to tell whether Neymar actually improved Barca at all.

We do have more dribbles, though.
And play more individual than ever.

Is it because of Lucho or because of nature of Msn, time will tell.

Yeah, it has to do with Pedro. Not with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi and Busi being in their prime... ffs