Neymar Jr. - v5

[BBZ8800]

Plus a great midfielder, which would be the main objective, and some bench player that can actually play football unlike what we have now...

Ah, and don't forget an RB, because we reaaaally need one badly...

Plus, we could rotate players more without at least 1 part of MSN also...

 

[evilhita666]

Pedro was sort of an example, even though I wouldn't say no to him if we had no other choice...

My bet is still Iñaki Williams, hahaha...

 

[Neymessi]

The part I don't get is:

1. Lucho is stupid, but Messi manages to play well and be a key player in spite of Lucho's stupidity
2. L. Suarez the same
3. Iniesta the same
4. Pique the same etc

The part you don't get is suarez has been terrible in many matches lately. Messi also is having some bad games which he usually never has. Iniesta also has been having bad games too.

 

[Ahmedd]

I wont sell Neymar but i would bench him till he start to use his brain, he has everything to be the next thing.

 

[kilian]

The part I don't get is:

1. Lucho is stupid, but Messi manages to play well and be a key player in spite of Lucho's stupidity
2. L. Suarez the same
3. Iniesta the same
4. Pique the same etc

1. Not true. He had some bad games, including today. Although he is Messi, so he will perform under any coach.
2. Not true. Many people were bashing him for bad form. He started to play better, but has his ups and downs.
3. Not true. Had some great performances, but some bad games too. Sometimes lost as much as every other player on the pitch.
4. Not true. Had good and bad moments.

There are only 2 options:
1. either Lucho's stupidity is aimed mostly at Neymar and it is hurting him the most for some reason
2. or what majority of you are writing makes zero sense, and Neymar is just a shadow of a player whom you wanted him to be

Not true. No need to explain.

I`m sorry for saying this, but you really need to start accepting that your subjective opinion is not a fact and stop giving bad/biased arguments for it.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

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I know some of you don`t like Neymar, but he is a top 5 player and only 24 years old.

Maybe according to the Ballon d'or. Not for me, not even close.

We should absolutely sell if a club bid over 200 million for Neymar. But that ain't happening and the reason is because even EPL clubs or PSG aren't that stupid.

 

[Deco 20]

That winger in Sociedad (not Xabi Prieto or Vela) is pretty great

Oierzabal? Oyazabal?

 

[FlaFCB]

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Maybe according to the Ballon d'or. Not for me, not even close.

We should absolutely sell if a club bid over 200 million for Neymar. But that ain't happening and the reason is because even EPL clubs or PSG aren't that stupid.

Psg tried last season. He doesn't want to leave, although his father was tempted by their offer $.$ He loves Messi.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Psg tried last season. He doesn't want to leave, although his father was tempted by their offer $.$ He loves Messi.

Makes me think one reason he stayed he might not want that 'alpha dog role' at least not all the time, he also gave back the captaincy with his NT.

Anyhow, his end product is not there at the moment, assists have also dried up somewhat.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Psg tried last season. He doesn't want to leave, although his father was tempted by their offer $.$ He loves Messi.

They won't be trying next season though, although if one club had to try it would be PSG.

 

[Horatio]

Today it really showed he was too eager and was hogging the ball a little too long. But his talent really shows as he has such an easy time 1 vs 1 and is consistent at passing that first opponent. But then he gets too opportunistic and gets into 1 vs 2/3 situations and loses the ball.

As stated before many times he is a victim of the system. With a faster buildup and quick attack he could create so much beating that 1 defender every time.

 

[BBZ8800]

The part you don't get is suarez has been terrible in many matches lately. Messi also is having some bad games which he usually never has. Iniesta also has been having bad games too.

You don't get that:
Out of last 30 matches for Barca, Messi had 20 awesome matches and 10 bad to average matches.
Suarez had 20 world class matches and 10 poor matches.

Neymar, on the other hand, had 20 poor matches, 8 average/ok matches and 1-2 good matches (Arsenal in February of 2016 and CDR final, right?).

Answers from Neylovers make zero sense.
Yes, Messi plays poor also sometimes.
Yes, Suarez plays poor also sometimes.

But they are light years infront of Neymar.
Neymar played 25 matches this season.
Can you name 1-2 matches from this season where he was out of this world?
I am not asking for 10 matches out of 25. I am asking only for 2 matches.

Some will probably say: he had 4 assists against "mighty" Celtic. Ok, fine.
Can you name another match?
(Even if you can, ok. Can you name 2-3 more matches, if you get the point?)

In the second part of 2016 he also played around 30 matches for Barca, he was a ghost and nonfactor in majority of matches.
(Or, he made 2-3 dribbles, but failed to reach for example 2015's level)

So, in the last 50 matches for Barca, he had, what, 2-3 good matches (Celtic, Arsenal and CDR final?).
This is not trolling, but Pedro or any other semi decent winger would surrely be able to match 3 good matches in 50 appearances for Barca.
Yet, we would have Pedro+100 or 150 Millions more to spend for other positions.

Now, read your reply one more time:

The part you don't get is suarez has been terrible in many matches lately. Messi also is having some bad games which he usually never has. Iniesta also has been having bad games too.

And try to realize that 10 bad matches from Messi out of 50 matches can't be compared with 47 bad matches from Neymar out of 50 matches.
Some will reply: but he wasn't bad today. Ok, he wasn't bad, but he is not offering absolutely anything.

He can't score goals, he hasn't scored a single decisive goal this season.
I can remember only 2-3 decisive assists this season also.
Guy just plays and nothing decisive happens from his actions.

Some will probably say again: stats don't tell a whole story.
Well, Ney's problem is that even if we don't look at stats, his overall play is way below expectations.

Once again, we are not expecting from him to be a 5th best Barca's player. Or "he wasn't among the worst on the pitch today".

He is the most expensive Barca's transfer ever.
He was supposed to be the next Ballon D Or, the next big thing.

And yet he doesn't offer anything but 2-3 dribbles per match and some defensive effort.

Is that a guy in whom we invested 300 Millions Euros?
Barca's world really won't stop once when we sell him. Quite the opposite.

1. Not true. He had some bad games, including today. Although he is Messi, so he will perform under any coach.
2. Not true. Many people were bashing him for bad form. He started to play better, but has his ups and downs.
3. Not true. Had some great performances, but some bad games too. Sometimes lost as much as every other player on the pitch.
4. Not true. Had good and bad moments.

Everything is explained in my reply to Neymessi.
47 bad games out of 50 (Neymar) are not the same as 10-15 bad games out of 50 from Messi/Suarez.

 

[Potroh]

Some will probably say again: stats don't tell a whole story.

Those stats indeed never tell you the whole story, in Neymar's case the AESTHETICS of his game play and the DIFFICULTY of his game play.
If you learn these two words in capital, you have understood this game.
If you do NOT learn these two words in capital, you remain in the mob of fans who don't care how the damn ball got into the net, for them the game has no aesthetic aspect, beauty or any sort of intelligence.

Well, Ney's problem is that even if we don't look at stats, his overall play is way below expectations.

He just plays as expected. Less goals than expected, but Messi and Suarez do well in that aspect and it's partly due to Neymar's efforts.

And yet he doesn't offer anything but 2-3 dribbles per match and some defensive effort.

Those dribbles mean the most aesthetic part of the game and very few are able to do even a single one, whereas Neymar does it dozens of times.
His problem is he can easily get passed one or two defenders but when the third or fourth comes, he often loses the ball - obviously.
If the system were better, there would be no more defenders to challenge him because by constant moves without the ball OTHER players would take away those defenders.
Neymar plays the far most difficult task in the team and if you were objective, all you could do would be lifting your hat in front of what and HOW he does that!

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Those stats indeed never tell you the whole story, in Neymar's case the AESTHETICS of his game play and the DIFFICULTY of his game play.
If you learn these two words in capital, you have understood this game.
If you do NOT learn these two words in capital, you remain in the mob of fans who don't care how the damn ball got into the net, for them the game has no aesthetic aspect, beauty or any sort of intelligence.

You speak of objectivity, but many Neymar critics were/are the staunchest proponents of slick, "intelligent football", which is obviously top notch in terms of aesthetics. [MENTION=6450]BerkeleyBernie[/MENTION]

 

[Potroh]

You speak of objectivity, but many Neymar critics were/are the staunchest proponents of slick, "intelligent football", which is obviously top notch in terms of aesthetics.

In my eyes those are not critics but simply the mob with their beloved flags painted to a particular color.
They understand and see nothing about the game but just a kind off bullfight or maybe the blood of their hero-gladiators slowly spreading and painting the green grass red...