The injuries wasted his time. The dude was flying. Hope he'll stay free from injury as he is a joy to watch. The kind of players you watch football for, a big entertainer. He is kind of an unlikable Ronaldinho.
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The injuries wasted his time. The dude was flying. Hope he'll stay free from injury as he is a joy to watch. The kind of players you watch football for, a big entertainer. He is kind of an unlikable Ronaldinho.
khaled_a_d
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Love Neymar as a player, and still think he is best player/talent from his generation but R10 was on another level as entertainer tbh. Way more smooth and decisive as a player IMHO.
LOL @"easy route". CL elimination rounds are not easy for anybody. PSG with all of their resources have a chance of going all the way as much as anyone and at the same time they can afford to manage their key players minutes. French league is not like premier league where there is a blood bath each week. You know what ambitious move would be for him? Going in Milan or Inter or United or any of the sleepy giants in the top leagues. Win the league first, than CL. That would be ambitious.
Guess what s missing here....
Money.
Also, he had plenty more to win here. Being the main guy for example. Winning the league and CL as the main guy. That would also be ambitious.
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Why is it more ambitious to win it in Milan, Inter or United ? For once, the italian clubs couldn't even pay his release clause. United could but PSG was the only one serious enough to pay it and gives him the salary he wanted. I think winning with PSG is a bigger challenge because it has never been done before. Hence, he would definitely be in the history of the club and the league. Neymar won with Barcelona and he is just one among others to have won it.
Lol, Premier League blood bath... They have just happened to win 1 CL after countless years of being next to irrelevant. Before, the excuse was that the league was too strong to be able to win the CL. Now that they have won it, it is used as a testament that the league is the best ever. Still, in the last few years, City and Liverpool have won the league with an higher total of points than the record of L1. I'm not saying that L1 is better than PL but Liverpool and City are obviously stacked and can go on with impressive winning streaks.
Also, i really can't believe you named the Milan clubs when we know they could even barely qualify for CL. Seems like the only worthy challenges for you are joining the "declining historical" clubs to raise them back up. I don't see any reason for that to be a better challenge than to win it with a club who don't have that trophy. Let's say Joao Felix wins it for Atletico, it would be a lot more historic than winning it with Real Madrid.
And when i say "easy route", it is because in the mind of players, if you want to win a CL or win a Ballon d'Or, you need to go to Real/Barça. Hazard said it when joining Madrid. Coutinho was thinking the same while leaving Liverpool. And as it keeps going, those two teams can accumulate top teams from goalkeepers to strikers. The mere fact you have Messi means that you have big chances to win every year. The same goes with CR7. Juve is now seen better placed to win CL than Real Madrid.
It s all about CL with the PSG fans right? Because winning French league is easy with the PSG resources. It s not even a thing anymore. If Neymar joined MU and won the league with them as the main guy, now that would be ambitious and historic. CL or not. He would have to win against City, Lpool, Arsenal, Tottenham,..See? Not as easy as French league. Ambitious? Hell yes. He didn t have to extend Barca contract and latter extort bonus money. He could have just waited it out if he is so ambitious.
If you think it s easier winning Ballon d'Or in Barca or Madrid, ask Hazard or Coutinho about that, so people you mentioned. Or Van Dijk, he is probably going to win it this year. You wana hear about easier route? 60 goals+assists in PSG and getting them in the final 4. It would make him an instant candidate. Shame he can t stay healthy, but it would be easier doing that, than becoming no. 1 guy in Barca or in Madrid or winning Premier league or having same production in top 3 leagues as in French league. So what s easier?
I don t know why you people need to believe it wasn t just about money and ego. It clearly was.
First of all, it is definitely easier to win the Ballon d'Or at Real Madrid or Barça. You have to go back to 2008 with CR7 at MU and 2007 with Kaka at Milan to see another club. And before them, it was again 2 Ballon d'Or (1 for Real and 1 for Barça) for the spanish giants. Barça and Real are trusting the first, second and third places positions of the award with 34 nominations for Barça, 27 for Real Madrid. No other club has even reach 20.
Modric being the recent Ballon d'Or winner, while not even being the best player of last year or even winning the World Cup, proves once again the importance of that competition (CL) in collective mind and in Ballon d'Or nomination.
That being said, it is obvious that CL is the competition that people care the most about. When people talk about Liverpool, you could think they had won everything there is in England, right ? No. They won nothing. Zero. And still, they are portrayed as the best team. Even here in this forum. Why ? Because they have won the CL. Barça is an absolute monster that is winning and dominating La Liga year after year and still, you lot all want to fire your coach even after league+cup winning seasons and humiliating Real Madrid in the league. Why ? Because you have suffered crushing defeats in CL.
I find it very hilarious that you have the audacity to tell me that PSG fans only care about CL. Ofc, i care about every fucking title we win. I care about every single game we play. I'm even angry when we do 1 fuck up in any random game that we will end up winning eventually. But, i obviously care about CL because every big team wants it. Every big player wants it. Why do you think Juventus that is winning Serie A for an almost uncontested decade spent so much on CR7 ? Because they want that CL. And even here, PSG is mocked because the only thing rival fans are aknowledging is their CL runs. And i'm the one obsessed with the CL ?
Now that i have established my point, yeah, i think it is a bigger challenge to win it with a club that doesn't have that cup in their history. Drogba was definitely a very good player but, let's be honest, not as prolific as others. What will come to your mind when we talk about him ? The fact that he led Chelsea to a CL. The guy will forever be a legend of Chelsea. He made history with this club.
Sorry, but there is nothing historic about winning the PL with MU. Who are you trying to trick here ? Hey, you could have said this about Liverpool team that has not won it in 30 years. But MU bagged PL left and right in recent memory. Sure, they are having difficult years now but talking about historic performance... Winning with Tottenham would be something though as this club doesn't win a lot of trophies. But let's be real. A guy like Neymar strives for the biggest competition which is CL. Even Messi who has nothing to prove said last season he really wanted to bring a CL for the Barça public. That tells you everything. And winning with Barça is easier because you have the best player in the world who can do stuff other can dream to do. As simple as that. Even Pep aknowleged he tried to do the same at Bayern or City but he doesn't have a Messi.
This is what Hazard says about Ballon d'Or : https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/mediapla...pour-ca-que-j-ai-envie-d-y-aller-1108217.html
About the 60 goals/assists, Mbappé scored a lot and we all know he won't be close to Ballon d'Or. You are talking about Van Dijk and why is he mentioned ? Because he won the CL. He won nothing else. You are again showing that winning the Ballon d'Or is all about the CL and not your stuff about scoring in top 3 leagues. Who cares about Aguero scoring left and right and winning everything in England ? Absolutely no one. Who cares about Lewandowski carrying Bayern very hard ? Absolutely no one.
I still can't believe you tried to say that winning a PL title with MU would make Neymar a legend. But i guess with PL centric fans, it would do the trick. I clearly remember they used to mock Zlatan until he scored against England with Suede when he became a "demi god". Then, he was mocked for his stint at PSG but when he was washed up and ended up dominating in PL again with MU, they were wetting their pants... So, i guess you are right. They are mocking Neymar with his WC antics. He would only need to show his talent for them to start a campaign for him to win the Ballon d'Or.
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I don t give a fuck about PL. I mentioned it because of it s level of competitiveness and because you are denying a simple truth. Neymar went to PSG because of money (and ego). It wasn t about ambition. There are more ambitious options out there including staying in Barca and becoming a legend. That would be more ambitious than trying to win CL with oil rich PSG.
Of course it would also be legendary if he d won PL with united vs. current teams of Lpool and City dude ffs. Levels above multiple French titles. Or even PL and CL with city. They have yet to win it.
Regarding BDO, i said very clearly he would need 60 goals+assists and 1/2 of CL. It would be an easier road to it, than for him to stay in Barca and win it. But you somehow see Barca as easier way. Ok, believe what you want, you are
obviously emotionally invested in this idea of his ambition.
CR and Messi didn t win last 10 BDO-rs because they played for Barca/Madrid, but because they were the 2 most dominant players of that period. Maybe it s true that some players believe that if they join these 2 clubs the road to BDO is open, but
you still have to be the best player. It s not easier, it s harder to be the best player in Barca or Madrid. Ask Coutinho.
Lastly, for me CL is not the reason why i would let go Valverde. Not by a long shot. The reason is that we are playing a horrible brand of football based only on 1 player who is largely responsible for all the La liga trophies in the past decade. It s true
we got use to it, but there will (soon) come a time when winning La liga will be a big deal again. It is a big deal for Madrid, trust me.
Messigician
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🎙 [SPORT] | Pique says Barça players would have altered wages to sign Neymar
🔊 Pique: "What we suggested to the president [Josep Maria Bartomeu] was that if we had to alter our contracts, we would."
🔊 Pique: "We knew that there was the issue of financial fair play and the relationship with the president has always been very good."
🔊 Pique: "Instead of getting paid what we had to get paid that year, we would transfer it to the second, third or fourth [year] so that Ney could come in, if that was the problem."
🔊 Pique: "We all want to go hand-in-hand with the club in the end. If we can help so that the club doesn't have this problem, it wasn't an issue."
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🔊 Pique: "What we suggested to the president [Josep Maria Bartomeu] was that if we had to alter our contracts, we would."
🔊 Pique: "We knew that there was the issue of financial fair play and the relationship with the president has always been very good."
🔊 Pique: "Instead of getting paid what we had to get paid that year, we would transfer it to the second, third or fourth [year] so that Ney could come in, if that was the problem."
🔊 Pique: "We all want to go hand-in-hand with the club in the end. If we can help so that the club doesn't have this problem, it wasn't an issue."
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I know winning the domestic trophies are important. PSG lost two titles after QSI take over. And it hurts when you let the title slip away. Still, i see that people don't criticize Juventus or Bayern for winning their league without any interruption but somehow Ligue 1 is like the single worst and invaluable league.
Imo, winning CL is easier with Real and Barça exactly because players have that mysticism about the clubs which allow them to draw the top dogs of the other big teams. CR7 could have remained in Manchester and they would have prolly been the club with successive CL wins and topping the PL. But the fact is the spanish giants can draw those players and, subsequently, it makes it easier to win. This summer again has shown it with Barça ability to poach the best player of Atletico and laying the ground for Neymar return. All that while keeping the best player in the world.
I don't see how PSG being an "oil" rich club is any relevant. Juventus was bankrolled by the Agnelli who are kinda the ruling family of Italy. Milan AC without their Berlusconi sugar daddy is showing they are worth nothing. Same with Inter Milan that is only recently going back on track. Winning a PL title with MU is enough to be a legend ? So, for you, is Hazard a legend ? He won two PL titles and won player of the year trophy in a club with a tad smaller trophy cabinet. He even led Belgium to a 3rd place in WC. No. Hazard has left a legacy at Chelsea but Drogba will remain as a bigger legend of Chelsea. With your standards being so low, i guess you consider Neymar a legend of Barça. After all, he won the CL with you and had an exceptional feat of scoring during the most important games (the later stages of KO rounds).
Problem with that is it wouldn't work with FPF. FPF doesn't care with your cash flow but the amortization of the contracts. This is why Barça can take some loans to deal with treasury problem as they know they can afford to repay it with the (low) interest.
If Barça buys Neymar and pays his salary, it would only add up with the existing contracts, reason why they were so eager to include some players in the deal. It would lower the whole amortization of the global wages and of Neymar transfer.
The only real solution is to change their contracts and accept a pay cut. They obviously wouldn't do that.
Messigician
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We were keen to include players coz we spent all money on Griezmann lmao.
I'm sure for pique to bring this up there was some loophole Barto and pals conjured up but PSG just refused to sell
Pique isn't the last guy when it comes to talk shit. Remember the "Se Queda"?
If you think rationally, how do you even plan to do that ? Let's say the players want to receive part of the money in 3 years of time in their contract. Then, FFP will ask why their contract are written like that and if they are not trying to dodge FFP. Also, players like Suarez, Piqué (if we are talking about club de amigos), we don't even know what will happen to them. Suarez has a contract up to 2021. Does it mean that Barça would have to renew him in order to do a dodgy contract to even be able to bring Neymar back ? And what if the player is suddenly declining and Barça wants to move on before the end of the said contract ? Does it means that Barça has to pay him instantly the remaining of the delayed money ? How will they justify and afford it for FFP. Remember that when Neymar will sign, the amortization will be longer than just 3 years since he will sign a longer contract than that. I see only trouble here.
The good way to do that is just to offload unnecessary players with huge wages like Coutinho and Dembélé or Rakitic. This is exactly what Barça tried to do (Coutinho is on loan to try to offload him next year, Rakitic is always involved with departure rumours and Dembélé won't last next summer if they do bring Neymar).
Or as you said, they just had to pick Neymar over Griezmann.
Givenchy
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Pique is everything thats wrong with the current Barca. hes an aging senior, hes won everything with little motivation, no competition for his place, not focused 100% on his football and makes a fool of himself and Barca almost once per season.
Neymar isn't coming, period. i cant believe how toxic our club has become, i can't imagine how Griezmann feels about this. he joins under Valverdes reign which is bad enough but then he gets to sit on the bench or play at LW while Suarez gets a pass because hes bff with Messi. the manager won't change the team shape or even bother trying to play him at ST and to top it all off.. Messi, Pique and co are longing for their bumboy Neymar - and where would Neymar play? LW, Griezmanns position
the board, the manager all the way down to the players on the pitch are making it hard to like this current Barca
controversial opinion: Neymar has more chance to win a CL with PSG than this current Barca
Neymar isn't coming, period. i cant believe how toxic our club has become, i can't imagine how Griezmann feels about this. he joins under Valverdes reign which is bad enough but then he gets to sit on the bench or play at LW while Suarez gets a pass because hes bff with Messi. the manager won't change the team shape or even bother trying to play him at ST and to top it all off.. Messi, Pique and co are longing for their bumboy Neymar - and where would Neymar play? LW, Griezmanns position
the board, the manager all the way down to the players on the pitch are making it hard to like this current Barca
controversial opinion: Neymar has more chance to win a CL with PSG than this current Barca
Messigician
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Dude you are all over the place, you are taking things out off context and you are making shit up. Saying Neymar took step down and that transfer to PSG wasn t an ambition based one somehow triggered you. I m done, believe what you want.
It s not so much controversial, it makes sense. Considering coaches and motivational level of key players.
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