Neymar - v2

[Kerrybai]

Credit to this post goes to Homeomorphic from Redcafe:

QUOTE I'm not suggesting: "Neymar is only showing his trade in South America and therefore he is crap and has no talent." Stack, I don't underrate the Brazilian league at all. My problem is that Santos is also playing against a lot of second, third and fourth tier teams from lower leagues and there are tons of YouTube videos of how he makes nice flicks and stepovers against those and people already want to splash "the Ronaldo money" on him. While he undoubtly has talent, it's exaggerated to an extend ("worth € 60 million"). If you put Götze, Hazard...in Santos and let them play in the Paulista, they'll also stand out and look like the second coming of Pelé. Guaranteed. The Campeonato Paulista has 20 teams. As of 2011 it included the likes of:

Ponte Preta: Serie B
Oeste: Serie D
Mirassol: Serie D
Portuguesa: Serie B
São Caetano: Serie B
Americana: Serie B
Bragantino: Serie B
Ituano: Serie D
Grêmio Prudente: Serie B
Santo André: Serie C

Neymar's goalscoring record in the Serie A: 40 goals in 85 games (0.47 goals per game).
Neymar's goalscoring record in the Paulista: 37 goals in 56 games (0.66 goals per game).

Robinho's goalscoring record in the Serie A when he was as old as Neymar: 46 goals in 111 games (0.41 goals per game)

Finished and fat Ronaldinho as of 2011 in the Serie A: 14 goals in 28 games (0.5 goals per game)

Hazard's stats this season in Ligue 1: 17 goals and 16 assists in 33 games.

Make of all that what you will. He remains a kinder egg. He could become the next Robinho or the next Ronaldinho. If he joins Barcelona with the mindset "I'll be the star now like in Brazil" and realises that the level of football in general, that of his competitors and that of his teammates is a "bit" higher than what he was used to at Santos (dwelling 5 seconds on the ball to pull a rainbow flick), it will kill him mentally. I'd rather have him join a team like Malaga first in La Liga. But that won't happen since football has become so commercialised nowadays. QUOTE

I will add to this that Neymar does have a god record in the Copa Libertadores and has been promising for Brazil. However much of the youtube videos and stats are credited to playing against weak teams in both the State and Brazlian league. Id also like to add that I would like to seem him come to Barca for the right price but a year or 2 at another European club would be my preference, however considering the price expected to be put on him not many lesser teams can afford him bar the likes of PSG.

 

[Puyol the wall]

Neymar should come to Barca. We need a guy with a bit of arrogance. I am sick of seeing guys like Alexis, Pedro, Villa being so deferential to Messi. Yes, Messi is the best in the world but that doesnt mean you look for him all the time. When Eto went we missed that guy who had the arrogance and confidence to fucking stick the ball in the back of the net. I doubt Neymar would want to play second fiddle to Messi. When he finds his feet he will go for goal not look for Messi a'la Cesc, Villa, Pedro, Alexis.................

Ronaldo

 

[Chainsaw]

Neymar should come to Barca. We need a guy with a bit of arrogance. I am sick of seeing guys like Alexis, Pedro, Villa being so deferential to Messi. Yes, Messi is the best in the world but that doesnt mean you look for him all the time. When Eto went we missed that guy who had the arrogance and confidence to fucking stick the ball in the back of the net. I doubt Neymar would want to play second fiddle to Messi. When he finds his feet he will go for goal not look for Messi a'la Cesc, Villa, Pedro, Alexis.................

Disagree. What made you think that Neymar is mature enough for the task? He's not even as close to vital as Eto'o was in his time at Barca. He's still raw and pretty much has the characteristics of a show off Brazilian player which is totally against the way Barca function as a unit.

And what's this talk about arrogance? Who says Villa, Pedro, Tello and Alexis don't have it? Cuenca, maybe that's debatable, but the rest have pretty much as much arrogance to try to finish the job themselves (if that's what you mean) as many other top strikers have out there. If you'e referring to the 'walk the ball into the net' approach that Barca showed this season then I agree. The players need to shoot more when they have the chance but I donno why they are so persistent in passing the ball than shooting when the later could have a better result. Barca has been very much wasteful this season of their time thx to this "so many passes to the sideways, pass the ball into the net" attitude and for that I'm not personally happy with the tempo the team had in many matches this season. Barca was way sluggish in many matches, like they don't care "pass the ball around we find a way finally" approach. This needs to be fixed for the next season IMO.

 

[Robbie]

What's the difference between Robinho and Ronaldo/Ronaldinho? What makes you a flop and what makes you a phenom?

Playing for a smaller European club first.

Ronaldo spent two years in PSV Eindhoven, and Ronaldinho spent two years at Paris Saint Germain. Robinho went straight from Brazil to Real Madrid.

Kerrybai has a point. If Neymar goes straight to a huge club, there's a big chance he'll crumble under pressure. Even Messi got to play for Barca B for a while and only became the best by earning it. Neymar is a media superstar and will have his every mistake under a microscope.

 

[Valdivia]

Don't want\need him. Do we have to throw some serious cash into the toilet? Exactly like Madrid.

 

[Aryagorn]

Even Messi got to play for Barca B for a while and only became the best by earning it. Neymar is a media superstar and will have his every mistake under a microscope.

EXACTLY! Neymar needs to EARN his potential move to a European giant by himself, instead of the media doing the talking for him!!

He's good, does step-overs and stuff... Yeah whatevs! Look at his diving and the refs allowing all those theatrics to happen!! It's really disgusting to say the least

 

[La Furia]

Really Neymar should do what every other South American does nowadays and spend a few years in Portugal before moving for an even more ridiculous price.

 

[Puyol the wall]

"Playing for a smaller European club first."


That is never going to happen,he will sign for one of the elite clubs once he decides to leave Santos we have to decide do we take a chance on him or allow him to join a big club and if he lives up to the expectation never get a chance to sign him again.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

you all know nothing

He will be a football GOD and Barca should sign him as soon as they can.

what's this nonsense he has to EARN IT, pffft. If he's good enough, he's good enough, even at 20 years old.

He will prove all of you doubters wrong, especially if he plays for this Barcelona.

Mark my words, and use them as a stick to beat me with if I'm wrong and he fails in Europe.

new Robinho just because he is skinny and plays for Santos and is called new Pele

He will win Ballon D'Ors

 

[Aryagorn]

"Playing for a smaller European club first."


That is never going to happen,he will sign for one of the elite clubs once he decides to leave Santos we have to decide do we take a chance on him or allow him to join a big club and if he lives up to the expectation never get a chance to sign him again.

Well we let the chance to sign CR7 slip away because we knew we had the reigning best player of the world in our team and a potential world beater getting ready in the quarry.

So I say we do the same again! We have more than one of such huge potential youngp layers getting ready in the youth team now!!

 

[Robbie]

you all know nothing

He will be a football GOD and Barca should sign him as soon as they can.

what's this nonsense he has to EARN IT, pffft. If he's good enough, he's good enough, even at 20 years old.

He will prove all of you doubters wrong, especially if he plays for this Barcelona.

Mark my words, and use them as a stick to beat me with if I'm wrong and he fails in Europe.

new Robinho just because he is skinny and plays for Santos and is called new Pele

He will win Ballon D'Ors

Don't get too excited HBA. Calm down for a second and think about how many world class players had that kind of hype when they were kids. Very few.

The BR league is very different from Europe, and Neymar gets too much protection from the media-influenced referees.

If he joins Barca, he's going to disrupt their team shape and worst of all, their dressing room. Meanwhile, Madrid will continue to become a well oiled machine and his every failure will be splashed all over the front pages of sports tabloids. He'll fail and take Barca down with him.

 

[La Furia]

you all know nothing

He will be a football GOD and Barca should sign him as soon as they can.

what's this nonsense he has to EARN IT, pffft. If he's good enough, he's good enough, even at 20 years old.

He will prove all of you doubters wrong, especially if he plays for this Barcelona.

Mark my words, and use them as a stick to beat me with if I'm wrong and he fails in Europe.

new Robinho just because he is skinny and plays for Santos and is called new Pele

He will win Ballon D'Ors

Well if HBA says it, then it must be true.

Guaranteed greatest of all time.

Out of curiosity, how much do you watch the Brazilian League and Libertadores?

 

[Robbie]

Youtube doesn't count

 

[Puyol the wall]

you all know nothing

He will be a football GOD and Barca should sign him as soon as they can.

what's this nonsense he has to EARN IT, pffft. If he's good enough, he's good enough, even at 20 years old.

He will prove all of you doubters wrong, especially if he plays for this Barcelona.

Mark my words, and use them as a stick to beat me with if I'm wrong and he fails in Europe.

new Robinho just because he is skinny and plays for Santos and is called new Pele

He will win Ballon D'Ors

There is a chance he will fail in Europe,i am not sure he will cope with high pressure,the defense in Europe is far better than in Brazil, its better if we don't sign him until he proves himself in Europe, if there is a chance for a loan signing with a view of a permanent deal that would be great,but that will not happen.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Don't get too excited HBA. Calm down for a second and think about how many world class players had that kind of hype when they were kids. Very few.

The BR league is very different from Europe, and Neymar gets too much protection from the media-influenced referees.

If he joins Barca, he's going to disrupt their team shape and worst of all, their dressing room. Meanwhile, Madrid will continue to become a well oiled machine and his every failure will be splashed all over the front pages of sports tabloids. He'll fail and take Barca down with him.

who says he's a bad apple in the dressing room? do you hear stories of fighting with teammates?

only story I know of is a 16 year old boy falling out with his manager and publicly stating it's either the manager or me. and Santos chose him. That was 4 years ago and he's matured since then, has a child now and there have been no stories since then of dressing room trouble.

Barca should sign him while they have the chance and not fart about wasting time and let the next Football Great slip through their grasp.