Paco Alcácer

[serghei]

Paco has played alongside Messi and Neymar with Rakitic and company plenty of times. In the first half of the season the only goal he scored was blatantly offsides against third tier opposition. How many goals does he have now? 3? If Paco could have at least been good enough for us to be able to rely on him for the copa like he were with Munir this nonsense about him being a better backup than Munir would at least have some sort of credibility behind it, but Munir made the copa his bitch even in some our toughest away matches, while Paco is only truly finding his feet in late March to mid-April.

Please, in the period you're talking about he was subbed in late in games when players where just takin it easy. And you're also forgetting about the usual adaptation period every players need. It takes a while to get used to a new club, especially one like Barca.

Now, in some cases, like Gomes and Denis, it seems that time won't do much, but with other players, like Paco, there is a clear sign that the problems were mostly down to adaptation. Paco is a better, more proven, more experienced striker than Munir.

Paco, if trusted, can score 10 goals a season with ease.

 

[God Serena]

What on earth drivel are you speaking now?

Paco has scored four in last seven La Liga games and two of them were the winning goals. He has taken time to find his feet and deal with being at club like Barca.

You are the one who brought Deulofeu into the conversation as a 'fourth option' in relation to Paco...

I can have any opinion on players like Deulofeu I like and nothing to do with 'hatred' of him.

So much for you being a great supporter of La Masia when you did not have much support for Munir and Sandro last season while I was one of the few that stuck up for Munir when he was getting slaughtered for majority of last two seasons at Barca.

I'm not the one who brought up Deulofeu, that was Serghei, and just mentioning that he's coming is not discussing him at all.

But I'm the one who's speaking drivel. Right.

And I don't know what you're talking about when you say I didn't support Munir or Sandro last season. I recognized when his form was poor but never slaughtered him and when he was playing well I was right there to cheer him on. I was vocal about not loaning him out when he was playing so well and Paco coming here as a replacement was a sad moment for me. Sandro is another story but I honestly never thought he was going to be first team quality, although I'd have kept him if I'd have known Paco was coming.

 

[God Serena]

Please, in the period you're talking about he was subbed in late in games when players where just takin it easy. And you're also forgetting about the usual adaptation period every players need. It takes a while to get used to a new club, especially one like Barca.

Now, in some cases, like Gomes and Denis, it seems that time won't do much, but with other players, like Paco, there is a clear sign that the problems were mostly down to adaptation. Paco is a better, more proven, more experienced striker than Munir.

Paco, if trusted, can score 10 goals a season with ease.

No, you're wrong. Munir started most of our games in the Copa and he was decisive in our victories over Athletic and Asspanyol (Pretty sure he was the only one to even score on Asspanyol).

Being more proven or more experienced is a given considering Paco is older and, well, more experienced, but that doesn't mean he's a better fit.

Munir scored 8 goals in 2015/16 as a teenager. You're trying to uptalk Paco's ability and only give him, the more experienced, more proven striker, 2 more goals than that?

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not the one who brought up Deulofeu, that was Serghei, and just mentioning that he's coming is not discussing him at all.

But I'm the one who's speaking drivel. Right.

And I don't know what you're talking about when you say I didn't support Munir or Sandro last season. I recognized when his form was poor but never slaughtered him and when he was playing well I was right there to cheer him on. I was vocal about not loaning him out when he was playing so well and Paco coming here as a replacement was a sad moment for me. Sandro is another story but I honestly never thought he was going to be first team quality, although I'd have kept him if I'd have known Paco was coming.

Aye if you discuss Deulofeu in relation to Paco then try to make out other folk doing it are wrong then yes you are speaking drivel.

You slaughtered Munir and Sandro for most of last season and didnt support them as La Masia products...while I supported Munir. Go back and read his thread.

 

[JamDav1982]

No, you're wrong. Munir started most of our games in the Copa and he was decisive in our victories over Athletic and Asspanyol (Pretty sure he was the only one to even score on Asspanyol).

Being more proven or more experienced is a given considering Paco is older and, well, more experienced, but that doesn't mean he's a better fit.

Munir scored 8 goals in 2015/16 as a teenager. You're trying to uptalk Paco's ability and only give him, the more experienced, more proven striker, 2 more goals than that?

You took the piss out of Munir and wanted him gone for half that season. He scores in a few cup games and doesnt play much else and suddenly you are trying to support him as a 'La Masia' product who had a good season as a teenager.

 

[serghei]

This talk is useless. Paco isn't going anywhere anyway, and Munir will probably be loaned out again, since Valencia will probably choose not to buy him.

 

[God Serena]

You took the piss out of Munir and wanted him gone for half that season. He scores in a few cup games and doesnt play much else and suddenly you are trying to support him as a 'La Masia' product who had a good season as a teenager.

This is me from November of that season:

Munir has been a favorite of Lucho since he got here. There's got to be something that Munir is showing Lucho that makes him see potential. It's not like he's with the team almost entirely for trolling purposes (Like a certain Gumbau we know), either.

This is the best way of giving a young player experience and if Lucho actually gave a damn about getting the 5-0 he wouldn't have subbed Munir on in the first place.

Doesn't seem like I'm really slaughtering Munir or pushing for him to leave but I'll keep going back.

This one is from early November.

Best CF in the world is arguable (Lewandowski!), but even if he may be, he's shown he can contribute just as well playing from the wing. He played there until trading positions with Messi and did quite well at it. As it is now our right flank is significantly weaker than the rest of our attack, and Munir and Sandro would be able to contribute more from that CF spot. A lot of these games are total squashes anyways, it really wouldn't hurt to let them switch for a minor game or half we're already dominating just to see how it goes.

Your "Half of the season" argument is kind of invalid, what with me kind of standing up for him well before the midway mark for the season, but I'll keep going back, since you're so insistent I go back and read the thread.

Another post from late October/early November:

Munir offers linkup to the team and has been a big part of many of the goals we've scored with Messi out of action. Even in our last game, his passing with Suarez is what led to us opening the scoring. That doesn't seem like nothing to me.

Just being 20 years old doesn't mean he should be expected to be some fast, tricky winger, so why is it sad that he's not? Even in the ranks of La Masia he was never that type of player. If that was what Lucho wanted he could have kept Adama, Deulofeu, Joan Roman, Tello, Alexis, or any other number of wing players who have left the club over the past two seasons that he's been in charge. Munir was a striker (A position he has not played for the first team since October of last year) who was able to get in good positions and put the ball in the back of the net. His best moments in front of goal usually involve him being in the middle receiving the ball, and it's clear that's where he's most comfortable. Why Lucho insists on sticking him (And even Sandro) on the right wing when Suarez is the only one of the three to have any experience playing on the wing is beyond me, but knocking Munir for not having the attributes of a winger when he isn't a winger doesn't seem right, and I suspect that has a lot to do with why Lucho isn't particularly worried about Munir and Sandro not living up to expectations, as they seem to really just be out there for match experience.

For what we could normally expect from a 20 year old who doesn't even have a single full season of Barca B play under his belt I'd say he's exceeded expectations during Messi's injury, which could not be said for Sandro.

Going back and reading the thread, I can see you very much did defend Munir, but never from me. Your lies about me having such apparent hatred for Munir confused me because I don't have any memory of such feelings and taking your suggestion and actually going back to read only confirmed your spouting utter nonsense. I couldn't find anything relevant from before that late October/early November time frame because prior to that he was actually playing well and assisting goals pretty frequently, it turns out.

 

[JamDav1982]

You were mocking him, wanting Nolito in on loan and saying every attacking player who was let go was better than him.

Saying had no depth up front with him and Sandro. Calling him non factor in games and bemoaning fact 'is this really the best we can do'?

Never said you 'hated' him but that you slaughtered him after games, didnt think he offered anything and wanted to replace him. Now it you try to make out you are a great supporter of him as La Masia and he had a good season for a teenager. Just rubbish.

 

[God Serena]

You were mocking him, wanting Nolito in on loan and saying every attacking player who was let go was better than him.

Saying had no depth up front with him and Sandro. Calling him non factor in games and bemoaning fact 'is this really the best we can do'?

Never said you 'hated' him but that you slaughtered him after games, didnt think he offered anything and wanted to replace him. Now it you try to make out you are a great supporter of him as La Masia and he had a good season for a teenager. Just rubbish.

You're the one speaking utter rubbish, I at no point ever wanted to sign Nolito. You want to ignore the quotes I pulled proving your BS statements about me wrong while making up even more? Fine then.

 

[khaled_a_d]

You were mocking him, wanting Nolito in on loan and saying every attacking player who was let go was better than him.

Saying had no depth up front with him and Sandro. Calling him non factor in games and bemoaning fact 'is this really the best we can do'?

Never said you 'hated' him but that you slaughtered him after games, didnt think he offered anything and wanted to replace him. Now it you try to make out you are a great supporter of him as La Masia and he had a good season for a teenager. Just rubbish.

Are you sure you aren't mixing him up with someone else? I am not gonna search posts but "GS" was always a supporter of Munir to an annoying level IIRC

 

[JamDav1982]

You're the one speaking utter rubbish, I at no point ever wanted to sign Nolito. You want to ignore the quotes I pulled proving your BS statements about me wrong while making up even more? Fine then.

You were saying in January last year Nolito would easily get minutes as the fourth forward. If that is not wanting him signed than fair enough.

Saying Deuolfeu should be brought back to replace him and Hallilovic a better player as well.

You mocked comments about Lucho being happy with Munir and Sandros development that December.

Said that Barca had no depth and all the best talent had been sold or loaned all bemoaning being left with Sandro and Munir for depth. It is all there to see.

 

[JamDav1982]

Are you sure you aren't mixing him up with someone else? I am not gonna search posts but "GS" was always a supporter of Munir to an annoying level IIRC

No definitely not.

Go back to that December and it is clear he doesnt think Munir is good enough to be in the squad and mocks Lucho being happy with him.

 

[DonAK]

Perhaps we can keep Paco.

I'd still sell Arda, Gomes, Denis though. Arguably even Rafinha. Deulofeu and Aleix as LW/RW backups are enough. Denis and Rafinha would struggle to get many minutes since they simply aren't suited to play in the midfield and we're better off with Roberto, Alena and even Samper getting more minutes there.

 

[God Serena]

You were saying in January last year Nolito would easily get minutes as the fourth forward. If that is not wanting him signed than fair enough.

Saying Deuolfeu should be brought back to replace him and Hallilovic a better player as well.

You mocked comments about Lucho being happy with Munir and Sandros development that December.

Said that Barca had no depth and all the best talent had been sold or loaned all bemoaning being left with Sandro and Munir for depth. It is all there to see.

I might have said Deulofeu should be brought back to replace him. Was always a fan of Deu, after all, and Deu is a winger, while Munir was a striker being played as a winger.

I actually remember mocking Lucho's comments about being happy with Sandro and Munir's development but it was more in regards to Sandro than anything because I genuinely didn't like Sandro or the fact that he was competing with Munir for minutes, which I felt slowed Munir's progress.

Although you'll have to go back and quote me on this stuff you're saying about Halilovic because I can't recall ever being a fan of his. None of what you're saying supports the notion that I wanted Munir gone and that I slated him every chance I got as you're making it out though.

Similar to Mats, I was often the only one who still held out hope for Munir even when performing poorly and made a big deal even of his scoring the simplest goals just because I wanted to see him succeed. I may have made a few negative comments about his performances after a game or two where he let the team down but I've done the same to even Mats at times and I'm unfortunately known as being Mats' number one fan around here or something.

 

[God Serena]

Perhaps we can keep Paco.

I'd still sell Arda, Gomes, Denis though. Arguably even Rafinha. Deulofeu and Aleix as LW/RW backups are enough. Denis and Rafinha would struggle to get many minutes since they simply aren't suited to play in the midfield and we're better off with Roberto, Alena and even Samper getting more minutes there.

Honestly, there is no arguing that Rafinha should be sold as well. If we can find a good replacement I'd even ship out Rakitic.