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mitkoa7x
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this should go the gold standard thread!
Pep Guardiola
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this should go the gold standard thread!
Theconomist
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I never said he was bad. Maria you twisted what I said. Pep is a great coach I don't deny that but he is one of many.
About him coaching other teams and messi playing somewhere else, it's absolutely not the same.
Pep had absolutely everything to succeed here, the perfect cataclyst. City and rm's spending have nothing to do with Pep winning the league. We could go into endless what if arguments but they are pointless. Football isn't a what if sport.
All I'm saying is you guys are overrating him but the. Again besides some players in the squad everything about barca is the holy grail for some people. I mean just look at the Song thread. Some are calling for us to play double pivot. I am not the doom and gloom squad. I really like Barcelona, I go to the games when I can, I buy the shirts when I like the design, I criticise the losses and praise the wins but I try to see things for what they are.
When I say Pep :
- 's success didn't come out of the blue with a bunch of nobodies, the team eon the CL 2 years previously.
- has poor man management skills : non catalan players that have left us have stated that they felt ostracised
- has a relatively poor transfer record: Zlatan,Alexander,Chygrynsky...
- benefited from having the best player in the world, arguably the goat playing for him injury free for the most part
- had the full backing of the board
- Spent over 200 million in 4 years. Even Madrid only average 50 million a year because they spend insane ammounts every 5 years or so.
- benefited from an excellent crop of youth players and a maturing of senior players
I am stating facts. Not diminishing from what he did, it was absolutely legendary BUT perspective is important people.
About him coaching other teams and messi playing somewhere else, it's absolutely not the same.
Pep had absolutely everything to succeed here, the perfect cataclyst. City and rm's spending have nothing to do with Pep winning the league. We could go into endless what if arguments but they are pointless. Football isn't a what if sport.
All I'm saying is you guys are overrating him but the. Again besides some players in the squad everything about barca is the holy grail for some people. I mean just look at the Song thread. Some are calling for us to play double pivot. I am not the doom and gloom squad. I really like Barcelona, I go to the games when I can, I buy the shirts when I like the design, I criticise the losses and praise the wins but I try to see things for what they are.
When I say Pep :
- 's success didn't come out of the blue with a bunch of nobodies, the team eon the CL 2 years previously.
- has poor man management skills : non catalan players that have left us have stated that they felt ostracised
- has a relatively poor transfer record: Zlatan,Alexander,Chygrynsky...
- benefited from having the best player in the world, arguably the goat playing for him injury free for the most part
- had the full backing of the board
- Spent over 200 million in 4 years. Even Madrid only average 50 million a year because they spend insane ammounts every 5 years or so.
- benefited from an excellent crop of youth players and a maturing of senior players
I am stating facts. Not diminishing from what he did, it was absolutely legendary BUT perspective is important people.
Hatem Ben Arfa
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I can agree with all the above.
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Flavia
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I agree with most of it. But you also can't forget Pep did some things someone else probably wouldn't have. Like let ronnie and deco go and put Messi as a false 9. Getting Alves, promoting Busquets and Pedro. To me that was crucial to all the success it came later, and I doubt any other manager would've done any of these. It was genius from pep.
Hatem Ben Arfa
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perhaps he wants Barcelona to truly be the Catalan National Team?
Henry_IB
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- About poor man management skills - You hear players all the time say they feel frozen out by managers. If you say Pep has poor man management skills because some players who left felt frozen out, then Fergusson, Mou and plenty of other top managers have poor man management skills as well. This man managed to keep this squad motivated for 4 years and you constantly heard players saying how good the atmosphere was within the squad. You could see that our players had a bond with Pep, so I highly disagree with him having poor management skills.
- True, he made some really poor transfers, he also made some brilliant moves in promoting / buying Busquets, Pique, Mascherano, Alves, Pedro.
- You could argue that Pep made Messi the best player in the world by the tactical decision of moving him from the wing to the middle.
I personally believe that no one else would have managed to make Barcelona as successful over these last 4 years as he did. He isn't a perfect coach or person, I agree, but in my opinion you are not seeing just how great he was.
Hatem Ben Arfa
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not speaking to some of your players at all for months and going quiet and leaving the room when they enter is Pathetic man management IMO.
It appears as though he is trying to alienate a player to the point they are unhappy and want to leave.
why not be a man and just sit the players down in his office and straight up say 'you are not in my plans'?
It appears as though he is trying to alienate a player to the point they are unhappy and want to leave.
why not be a man and just sit the players down in his office and straight up say 'you are not in my plans'?
Henry_IB
Banned
I totally agree with that and I am not trying to defend Pep for how he treated some players. However, you also have to look at how close he seemed to be with the other players and how so many people have spoken of the good atmosphere. Pep started the mandatory team breakfasts / lunch / dinner in order to create a family feeling in the squad, he has managed to kept people motivated for so long.
Again, I am not trying to deny Pep isn't flawless, but I think it is unfair to say that he has poor man management skills.
Hatem Ben Arfa
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Not according to Bojan, Ibrahimovic, Yaya-Toure. There were clearly problems between Pep and Pique.
Richard.H
Senior Member
Bojan just got really butthurt when Afellay played ahead of him in the 2011 CL final.
I don't recall any problems with Yaya. He knew that Busi would get the majority of the playing time and he was too talented to play from the bench.
Ibra was the only one you could consider a problem with man management. He's the one that Pep seemed to ignore and not talk to him directly.
Hatem Ben Arfa
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Yaya came out and said Pep basically ignored him the whole year.
Let's not shit on Pep.
Pep wanted Yaya to stay but Yaya saw Busquets was a preferred option. He won it all with Barca and made a wise decision for himself and took the City's money. Proved a solid career move as well as he adapted great there and won the league.
Pep wanted Yaya to stay but Yaya saw Busquets was a preferred option. He won it all with Barca and made a wise decision for himself and took the City's money. Proved a solid career move as well as he adapted great there and won the league.
Theconomist
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Give it up man. You can't convince people that don't want to be convinced. Some people still think global warming is a myth.
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