Pep Guardiola

[Aryagorn]

Don't you know you can't say anything bad about pep? Doesn't fit in his carefully planned image of a deity among hipsters.

I guess I have committed blasphemy... And I am unable to find myself a way out of the repurcussions of my sin

True, true, false.
Thiago was all Tito. Never played him even in stupid games when the title was already won. When asked about it, instead of supporting him like "Thiago is a fantastic player, his time will come." or something similar he just went on to say things like: "I just pick the players who deserve to play" or about that ridiculous buy-out clause made by Rosell: "I don't look at the contracts..I don't care."

I don't know man... I some how feel Tito was actually doing it right. I mean talk about a spoiled brat and there's only one way to deal with them!!

 

[FCBarca]

There's no one more Barça than Pep so if you bin him, what reason would there be to defend Tito/Tata let alone Rosell?

 

[Barcaman]

What constitutes "more FCB"? If you meant there's no other coach that's been more successful with FCB, then yeah. That's strictly professional category though. Pep proved he's a very ambitious professional alright by leaving fcb and pursuing his personal career goals outside fcb. Which, btw. he always said he would do ever since he took the FCB job.
He was never going to be our Alex Ferguson. You may dislike Rosell, but Sandro was not the reason Pep left. It's Pep's personal ambition, nothing else.

 

[FCBarca]

Catalan, Ball boy, La Masia, CL winner & Captain of the 1st team, Coach of Six Cups and the architect of the current Barcelona era that will have it's own chapter in footballing history...So, yes, no one is more Barça than Pep

Is there any question that he loves this club and that that love is irrespective of titles, success, money or anything else?

All Pep said, from the beginning, is that he wasn't going to be a Fergie here...He also played elsewhere than the club but that doesn't make him any less culé

Your interpretation of Pep leaving, Bojan, is just that an interpretation...Just as mine is but I've got more supporting evidence for mine

 

[Barcaman]

All that you mentioned is in the past and most of it, as I mentioned, part of his professional career. Maybe if you rephrased your construction to "noone was more Barca than pep" then I might agree with you.

Why is it so hard to accept pep as an ambitious coach who put his personal success ahead of Barca's? He'll still be a Barca legend even-though he'll do whatever it takes (like with trying to sign Neymar or sign Thiago) to put his current club ahead of Barca.

His Barca career is over and he was already away on his path with Bayern 6 months after resigning his Barca job eventhough army of Barca fans still hoped and believed him only needing a year off to get back to his beloved club.

 

[Aryagorn]

His Barca career is over and he was already away on his path with Bayern 6 months after resigning his Barca job eventhough army of Barca fans still hoped and believed him only needing a year off to get back to his beloved club.

even before actually... It started way back in 2011 summer itself, even when he was still a Barca employee


BTW... there's nothing wrong in being ambitious. Every body is! Not every body would have to bleed Barca either!! Just that, to think Pep is living only for Barca or Barca means Pep, Pep means Barca is stupid

 

[The Observer]

Is there any question that he loves this club and that that love is irrespective of titles, success, money or anything else?

I love this club and I can't even watch Bayern games now because I'm still bitter that they have dicked us 7-0 over 2 legs and it would be even harder to take if they won the Champions League back to back with Thiago lifting the trophy. Because it would automatically elevate them as a greater team than "Pep's Barca" which hasn't managed that feat. So I imagine that Guardiola must be the biggest masochist on earth then to not only watch but actually coach that team to make them reach exactly that goal while in reality "loving Barca".

It also left a bitter taste that he run away exactly when Mourinho's Real Madrid was looking like turning into a real force during their 100 point season, beating us at Camp Nou for the first time under Mourinho. He owed us 1 more season to reclaim our throne like SAF did with Manchester United in his final year before leaving for new "challenges". That's what greats do.

I guess in Catalunya they will love him regardless with "Gràcies, Pep" banners because he is a famous person who publicly supports the separation of Catalunya from Spain. But as non Catalan who only cares about football and not politics I'm completely disillusioned with Pep Guardiola and I will badmouth his achievements as much as I can. Jordi Roura coaching this team for a quarter of a season with a cancer patient whatzapping lineups from 10000 miles away has actually managed a greater point tally in La Liga than Pep ever did in 4 seasons. Take THAT, Gwardjola!

 

[Aryagorn]

It also left a bitter taste that he run away exactly when Mourinho's Real Madrid was looking like turning into a real force during their 100 point season, beating us at Camp Nou for the first time under Mourinho. He owed us 1 more season to reclaim our throne like SAF did with Manchester United in his final year before leaving for new "challenges". That's what greats do.

I am not sure if we can say he ran away... After all, he was already preparing his move to Bayern the summer before that anyway! But can we be sure if he gave his 100% that last year? That's something up for debate!!

I can see him being an asshole... but to be unprofessional to the very club that gave him his life? He is definitely not that IMHO

Jordi Roura coaching this team for a quarter of a season with a cancer patient whatzapping lineups from 10000 miles away has actually managed a greater point tally in La Liga than Pep ever did in 4 seasons. Take THAT, Gwardjola!

 

[coura]

IMO, nothing against Ibra as a player but he shouldn't have even been here.

Obviously

 

[FCBarca]

All that you mentioned is in the past and most of it, as I mentioned, part of his professional career. Maybe if you rephrased your construction to "noone was more Barca than pep" then I might agree with you.

No one is, was or will be more Barça than Pep...I challenge you to name someone who does comes to mind, incidentally?

Why is it so hard to accept pep as an ambitious coach who put his personal success ahead of Barca's? He'll still be a Barca legend even-though he'll do whatever it takes (like with trying to sign Neymar or sign Thiago) to put his current club ahead of Barca.

I could just as easily redirect that and ask you why it's so hard to accept that Rosell drove Pep and others from this club, precisely as several fans & media suggested even before his election...Moreover, where have I said I can't accept Pep as being ambitious?...Doesn't really make sense when you consider he's the architect of the greatest footballing side perhaps to have ever played the game, if that's not ambition what is?

The mere fact that he eventually left the club as a player to play abroad would suggest he wasn't ambitious either then by that stream of logic...And were it not for experiencing other cultures, coaching and teams Guardiola wouldn't have come across Lillo or Volpe much less the now famous Bielsa...I suspect similar will occur, just as he said in his farewell address, he will be back and armed with an expansive knowledge of the game from different perspectives to make Barcelona even more successful

Competing for a signing that is not Barcelona bound is in the purview of any coach or club, Pep shouldn't be expected to avoid that conflict...He shouldn't, however, poach players from the club (Which he has not) and he shouldn't unsettle players to sign them away (Thiago is not an example of this)

He said it himself, 'You'll never lose me' yet many kneejerk reactions here have properly binned him already...Gotta love the myopia that can take root in a heartbeat with little appreciation for the history that has been made

His Barca career is over and he was already away on his path with Bayern 6 months after resigning his Barca job eventhough army of Barca fans still hoped and believed him only needing a year off to get back to his beloved club.

No one believed he was coming back after a year, where did you arrive at that theory?...We talked about this quite a bit when it was rumoured he was leaving, that he'd go abroad, most likely the Premiership, and return one day - all too often, we thought as President

It also left a bitter taste that he run away exactly when Mourinho's Real Madrid was looking like turning into a real force during their 100 point season, beating us at Camp Nou for the first time under Mourinho. He owed us 1 more season to reclaim our throne like SAF did with Manchester United in his final year before leaving for new "challenges". That's what greats do.

Many others would point again to Rosell being at the heart of this discontent and why he left, something Cruyff recently alluded to himself...The Fergie pipe dream is a juvenile fantasy, that's not happening here...United and English football doesn't have the pressures a club like Barcelona does...Ferguson wouldn't have lasted any longer than Pep at Barcelona, IMO

And if Pep isn't a legend then there's no such thing as a Barcelona legend

 

[karthik]

And if Pep isn't a legend then there's no such thing as a Barcelona legend

I loved the entire post of yours and this one was absolute WIN

 

[Jaykob]

This man is a genius.

In the wake of the recent change of barca into a counter attacking team, Messis injuries and Pep's success in a total different environment, I really do miss him.

A real tactical innovator

 

[Barcaman]

It's a bit early to rate Pep's Bayern episode as a success.

 

[Maria]

I love this club and I can't even watch Bayern games now because I'm still bitter that they have dicked us 7-0 over 2 legs and it would be even harder to take if they won the Champions League back to back with Thiago lifting the trophy. Because it would automatically elevate them as a greater team than "Pep's Barca" which hasn't managed that feat. So I imagine that Guardiola must be the biggest masochist on earth then to not only watch but actually coach that team to make them reach exactly that goal while in reality "loving Barca".

So Pep not only that he knew from 2011 that he will coach Bayern, he also knew that that they will humiliate us and win the CL in the process. For someone who doesn't believe in God, he certainly looks like he has his powers. I guess that in your opinion, if he would have loved Barca he should have chosen to coach a team like Eintracht Braunschweig.

It also left a bitter taste that he run away exactly when Mourinho's Real Madrid was looking like turning into a real force during their 100 point season, beating us at Camp Nou for the first time under Mourinho. He owed us 1 more season

Really? He owed us? Why would he owe something to someone who doesn't even think that he was professional? He owed Barca and the cules nothing because we are still uncapable of showing any gratitude and appreciate what he GAVE us instead of what he COULD HAVE GIVEN us. And would you have rather saw him announcing his new club after we beat Manchester United at Wembley, like Mourinho did? Can't you see how difficult it would have been for a new coach to come after we just won the double? Can't you see hoow harassed Martino is by journalists who think that this Barca should play as good as the best Barca in history? Pep chose the best moment to leave..the best moment for him, for the club and for the new coach.

And another thing..we didn't lose the league because of the game against Real Madrid(we had 4-3 in the head-to-head meetings in the league that season, a better record than in the 2012-2013 season). We lost the league when we gave up a 2 goals lead against Real Sociedad, when Messi missed a penalty against Sevilla at home, when we were refused 2 penalties against Valencia or when we couldn't beat Getafe away from home. Those were the games that lost us the league, not the El Clasico at the Camp Nou.

to reclaim our throne like SAF did with Manchester United in his final year before leaving for new "challenges". That's what greats do.

Pep Guardiola: FC Barcelona coach for 4 years - 2 CL
Alex Ferguson: Manchester United coach for 27 years - 2 CL

Couldn't be more great than that. And if Rosell(someone who I hate) manages to win us 2 CL without Pep then I won't care when or how he will leave Barca.

I guess in Catalunya they will love him regardless with "Gràcies, Pep" banners because he is a famous person who publicly supports the separation of Catalunya from Spain.

I guess you don't read the catalan press too much and you didn't watched Pep's last game as a player for Barca..Pep isn't loved in Catalunya, they loved the trophies that he helped us win. In 2008, according to Sport, Mundo Deportivo, La Vanguardia and El Periodico 80% of the cules wanted Mourinho as our coach and most of them would have liked to keep Rijkaard as our coach before seeing Pep on the bench. Even members of our current administration have criticized Laporta for his choice, accusing him of doing only what Cruyff wanted and saying that they couldn't wait the day that Cruyff won't be in our club anymore. And now the same people are saying/writing that Pep was only lucky. You should read the comments of a random article about Pep in La Vanguardia, Sport or Mundo Deportivo to see just how loved he is in Catalunya.

But as non Catalan who only cares about football and not politics I'm completely disillusioned with Pep Guardiola and I will badmouth his achievements as much as I can.

If you only cared about football, you would have apreciated the football that we saw in Pep's 4 years with us and the trophies that he helped this club win, but you don't. You only care about what Pep owed you..
Dani Alves said this a few months ago:
"Cuando uno dice que no quiere seguir aquí, espero que sea igual de respetado que cuando desde el club te dice que no te quieren"
"When someone says that he wants to leave Barca, I hope that he will be as respected as when the club tells you that they don't want you anymore."
Rarelly I have seen football fans that doing this.

Jordi Roura coaching this team for a quarter of a season with a cancer patient whatzapping lineups from 10000 miles away has actually managed a greater point tally in La Liga than Pep ever did in 4 seasons. Take THAT, Gwardjola!

He also managed the biggest humiliation that a team has ever suffered in a CL SF and helped Messi enter in a spiral of injuries in which he's still caught right now because he used him injured in league games even though we had a considerable lead over Real Madrid. But hey, take that Guardiola!

 

[Maria]

His Barca career is over and he was already away on his path with Bayern 6 months after resigning his Barca job eventhough army of Barca fans still hoped and believed him only needing a year off to get back to his beloved club.

I don't understand why he shouldn't have chosen his next club while he was still in vacation or why his choice should have been conditioned by an army of Barca fans that I didn't see anywhere..

I am not sure if we can say he ran away... After all, he was already preparing his move to Bayern the summer before that anyway! But can we be sure if he gave his 100% that last year? That's something up for debate!!

I can see him being an asshole... but to be unprofessional to the very club that gave him his life? He is definitely not that IMHO

I can't believe that someone who calls himself a cule can actually say something like that, especially after watching Pep's last year with Barca, when he was more tactically inovative than when we won the treble. I can deal with people calling him a bad coach, a bad person or even a bad cule, but I can't accept people implying that he didn't gave his all while he was at our club. If anything, he gave too much and I can only pray that every coach that Barca has from now on will be as 'unprofessional' as Pep was.

It's a bit early to rate Pep's Bayern episode as a success.

This..we have to wait the end of the season before we can say something like that and even then we can't be sure(especially seeing how Van Gaal ended at Bayern or Mou at RM).