Philippe Coutinho

[mc_lovin]

I doubt anyone cares if you 'let it count' when it is different opinions given.

Its just a shit line of reasoning, nothing to do with different 'opinions'. So, Coutinho sucks, because bad boy Messi doesnt let him shoot? Thats why he looked the same for Bayern? Or for Brazil if we are completely honest?

Nothing to do with his dire interpretation of the #10 role, which is a dying breed in modern football anyway. Or his lifeless attitude.

 

[Rory]

ALSO, what were we going to do. Suddenly shift the focus on to Coutinho in the 2018/2019 season? Are we forgetting that is one of Messi's all time great seasons? Why would we have done that?? And how would it have made us better?

 

[Laplacian]

Pedri plays differently. Coutinho, for example, one of his best traits is shooting from 16-20m range. When you play with Messi next to you, and this is visible with Pedri as well, you can't be ignoring him and look to attack the goal, to place a shot, or enter some combination with the striker and so on. He'll start to gesticulate, make you signs that he was asking for the ball and you ignored him, and so on.

Pedri is more like Iniesta. He likes to be a service player and doesn't shy away from playing in crowded areas, especially when Messi (another player who is awesome in crowded areas) is next to him.

Coutinho is more of a direct player who likes end to end games because they give him spaces to get his game going. And Coutinho when he has space, to get a bit of acceleration, he is at his best. Because in closed spaces he lacks that burst of pace over the first meters. And, also, his technique in short spaces when the opponents are very close to him is not that great. In comparison, this is one of Pedri's best assets, the way he handles the ball in short spaces when advancing with it in a direct, forward way is not an option.

Pedri is far more suited to a slower build-up game with possession and overloads, with quick touches to maneuver the ball in seemingly very crowded and closed zones. Similar to Messi. And Puig as well to a lesser extent.

In fewer words, Messi doesn't need a "10" or a "SS" next to him. Like Coutinho and Griezmann are. He needs a classic 9 ahead of him, two quick wingers, and at least an interior "8" or "6" supporting him centrally.

Um, but he gets plenty of opportunities to 1vs1 players with space behind the opposition. He doesn't take them because he can't dribble. This is too fucking funny, now he needs specific conditions to dribble properly.

Coutinho is more of a direct player who likes end to end games because they give him spaces to get his game going. And Coutinho when he has space, to get a bit of acceleration, he is at his best. Because in closed spaces he lacks that burst of pace over the first meters. And, also, his technique in short spaces when the opponents are very close to him is not that great. In comparison, this is one of Pedri's best assets, the way he handles the ball in short spaces when advancing with it in a direct, forward way is not an option.

I swear, back in 2017/2018 you were all saying that playing in closed spaces was one of Coutinho's best traits and that it was exactly why he would thrive in Barcelona. In 2018/2019 when he started underperforming, you all started saying he's not a winger he needs to play down the middle to create like an attacking midfielder. Now you're saying he needs space ahead of him to dribble properly because he doesn't have the qualities of an attacking midfielder, in other words like a pacey winger...

The goal posts just keep on shifting. lol

In fewer words, Messi doesn't need a "10" or a "SS" next to him. Like Coutinho and Griezmann are. He needs a classic 9 ahead of him, two quick wingers, and at least an interior "8" or "6" supporting him centrally.

So what about Bayern Munich?
Oh wait I forgot you already have an excuse for that one too. Too much pressing, defending, it's not the right type of "no.10" role, or the right types of "no.6, 8, pacey wingers" for him.

 

[JamDav1982]

ALSO, what were we going to do. Suddenly shift the focus on to Coutinho in the 2018/2019 season? Are we forgetting that is one of Messi's all time great seasons? Why would we have done that?? And how would it have made us better?

Messi all time great season but not one of Barcas.

The two are different things and Messi at peak more or less in that system was part of Barca side falling apart in CL time and again.

That is not to say move team for Coutinho but that Barca team gave up too much for old players in the side from training to tactics.

 

[serghei]

I swear, back in 2017/2018 you were all saying that playing in closed spaces was one of Coutinho's best traits and that it was exactly why he would thrive in Barcelona. In 2018/2019 when he started underperforming, you all started saying he's not a winger he needs to play down the middle to create like an attacking midfielder. Now you're saying he needs space ahead of him to dribble properly because he doesn't have the qualities of an attacking midfielder, in other words like a pacey winger...

He'd do well if some things would be different. I've been criticizing our slow game and weak transition (leading to poor counter-attacking) for years. Precisely because many players are better when they have spaces and when the game is not slowed down on purpose. Especially those who spent many years playing end-to-end fast football in the Premier League.

 

[Laplacian]

ALSO, what were we going to do. Suddenly shift the focus on to Coutinho in the 2018/2019 season? Are we forgetting that is one of Messi's all time great seasons? Why would we have done that?? And how would it have made us better?

People seem to forget that Messi received a major injury in 2018/2019. Coutinho was supposed to step up. Malcom was there, Dembele was there. Declining midfield but it was still good enough to take care of Spurs, Inter Milan in the UCL. There was Suarez for the classic #9 role for Coutinho. Where was Coutinho? Let's see what the excuses are for him this time.

 

[JamDav1982]

People seem to forget that Messi received a major injury in 2018/2019. Coutinho was supposed to step up. Malcom was there, Dembele was there. Declining midfield but it was still good enough to take care of Spurs, Inter Milan in the UCL. There was Suarez for the classic #9 role for Coutinho. There was Griezmann. Where was Coutinho? Let's see what the excuses are for him this time.

Griezmann?

Try that one again.

 

[Laplacian]

Griezmann?

Try that one again.

My apologies. Point still stands. Where was Coutinho? You just made it even worse for Coutinho. Literally the perfect conditions to thrive. No one in 'his space' (lol). Don't try to deflect. lol

 

[JamDav1982]

My apologies. Point still stands. Where was Coutinho? Don't try to deflect. lol

Deflecting on what?

Coutinho scored and was one of best players away to Spurs and was one of best players away to Inter...

Point is a poor one if looking at those games.

 

[serghei]

It's funny, because those who say Coutinho is crap are losing the argument before it even begins. So... let me get this straight... you say a player is crap because he wasn't a starter in the best team in the world, and "only" one of the players that got consistent game time from the bench?

Just the fact that a well-oiled, efficient attacking team like Bayern used Coutinho regularly for the full season, including in CL quarters, semis, and even in the final, it's enough to close the argument. NOT a crap player.

 

[Laplacian]

Deflecting on what?

Coutinho scored and was one of best players away to Spurs and was one of best players away to Inter...

Point is a poor one if looking at those games.

Yes because Messi was injured for 2 games. lol

It's funny, because those who say Coutinho is crap are losing the argument before it even begins. So... let me get this straight... you say a player is crap because he wasn't a starter in the best team in the world, and "only" one of the players that got consistent game time from the bench?

Just the fact that a well-oiled, efficient attacking team like Bayern used Coutinho regularly for the full season, including in CL quarters, semis, and even in the final, it's enough to close the argument. NOT a crap player.

He was a bench player and Bayern fans literally called him an underwhelming and disappointing player...fucking delusional lol
Go to the Bayern Munich forums, by December it was "he's only had two good games."
By the end of the season "we should have just bought James Rodriguez."

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes because Messi was injured for 2 games. lol

Those are the games you mentioned lol.

Stop deflecting.

You mention a few game and say 'where was Coutinho?' pointed out he played well in those games and then come back with 'only two games lol'.

If make poor points dont get all defensive when folk come back on them.

 

[serghei]

Yes because Messi was injured for 2 games. lol



He was a bench player and Bayern fans literally called him an underwhelming and disappointing player...fucking delusional lol

You call me delusional, and yet on a scale of rating a player you can either be world-class or crap.

That's like some dude having a garage full of Ferraris and Bugattis and pissing on a Mercedes saying how crap of a car it is. Hyperbolization at its best.

 

[Laplacian]

Those are the games you mentioned lol.

Stop deflecting.

You mention a few game and say 'where was Coutinho?' pointed out he played well in those games and then come back with 'only two games lol'.

If make poor points dont get all defensive when folk come back on them.

Reading comprehension. Read it again. lol

It's good that you feel like you won the argument because Coutinho was decent in two games in the past 2 and a half years. LOL

You call me delusional, and yet on a scale of rating a player you can either be world-class or crap.

That's like some dude having a garage full of Ferraris and Bugattis and pissing on a Mercedes saying how crap of a car it is. Hyperbolization at its best.

Too much pressing amirite

 

[JamDav1982]

Reading comprehension. Read it again. lol

It's good that you feel like you won the argument because Coutinho was decent in two games in the past 2 and a half years. LOL

Bit cocky there with 'reading comprehension' when claim Griezmann at Barca in 18/19.

You literally mentioned specific games Coutinho played well in. As said dont make poor points if dont like being corrected on them.

Ah but now it deflecting to your point being about Coutinho in past 2 1/2 years. Got it...