JamDav1982
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Haha I like the bit below... Barca when drop points and EV when win them.
Barca won 7 out of 18 points in the first 5 rounds.
And EV won 33 points in the next 14 matches.
Quique Setien
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Haha I like the bit below... Barca when drop points and EV when win them.
Barca won 7 out of 18 points in the first 5 rounds.
And EV won 33 points in the next 14 matches.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
It's like all you need to coach Barca is to have some Barca DNA speak a bit of spanish and you are good to go. Ofc , sometimes those dumb gambles work out like Lucho but most of the time they don't. These appointments would have looked worse if it weren't for Messi , Iniesta etc.
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te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
BBZ should really like Setien given how similar he is to Valverde.
Overall, if Setien resigns after the CL, his best contribution would be believing in Puig, something that EV didn't do. EV paved the way for Fati into the first team, however. Rebuilding is the most important thing right now, and investing minutes in players like Puig, Fati, Pedri, Trincao, Araujo is what we should be doing.
Overall, if Setien resigns after the CL, his best contribution would be believing in Puig, something that EV didn't do. EV paved the way for Fati into the first team, however. Rebuilding is the most important thing right now, and investing minutes in players like Puig, Fati, Pedri, Trincao, Araujo is what we should be doing.
MTL_Barca
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I'll never understand what kind of fucked up football version of stockholm syndrome makes a fan like Valverde
Season was bound to be a pain to get through, let's just accept that instead of hypothetical point totals. Adding up these points doesn't make any sense anyway, one game more or less makes too much of a difference in these circumstances. Let's say Setien and the squad somehow don't pull off the miracle of losing to Osasuna and the theoretical point total suddenly goes up by 6...talk about variance.
There was no way to save this season. They made everything wrong last summer. It was painfully obvious big changes were needed after the last season, what did happen? Valverde stayed. All amigos stayed. Misfit Griezmann signed. Only reinforcement for defense was Firpo. Biggest change for the team dynamic was probably Rakitic being benched for a while with Roberto playing midfield, that was it. So no surprise everything got worse once again.
Season was lost when they started it with Valverde + same squad again, and here we argue about 40 or 42 or 45 points. The same problems would be here regardless and they definitely would be here with Valverde as well so who cares, let's look forward.
Season was bound to be a pain to get through, let's just accept that instead of hypothetical point totals. Adding up these points doesn't make any sense anyway, one game more or less makes too much of a difference in these circumstances. Let's say Setien and the squad somehow don't pull off the miracle of losing to Osasuna and the theoretical point total suddenly goes up by 6...talk about variance.
There was no way to save this season. They made everything wrong last summer. It was painfully obvious big changes were needed after the last season, what did happen? Valverde stayed. All amigos stayed. Misfit Griezmann signed. Only reinforcement for defense was Firpo. Biggest change for the team dynamic was probably Rakitic being benched for a while with Roberto playing midfield, that was it. So no surprise everything got worse once again.
Season was lost when they started it with Valverde + same squad again, and here we argue about 40 or 42 or 45 points. The same problems would be here regardless and they definitely would be here with Valverde as well so who cares, let's look forward.
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Birdy
Senior Member
1) The last charts show how many more chances Setien's tactics provided to Messi compared to EV's tactics.
Messi was saving EV' ass time and time again with outstanding finishing (making small chances into goals), something he did not do for Setien.
Consider if Messi under Setien was only at his xG (rather than below) Barca would have recouped maybe 6 points that would make the title race completely different at the end.
2) I never used any argument about 'style' and 'stylistical' improvement. I am talking about effectiveness. And effectiveness nowadays is measured by sophisticated football analytics, and not simply points accumulated
3) 'New coach' push is mainly a psychological factor, and usually it gets demonstrated in the surface and not in the underlying numbers.
Same with OGS. His underlying numbers for a long time were identical to Mou's . His players were finishing better, making minimal chances into goals, that they wouldnt make with Mou.
When the 'grace period' ended, results went were their expected results were
4) Totally agree that under normal board EV should have gone long time before.
I am not a Setienista. I rather wanna be fair to everyone, Setien included
Agree with the people above that Setien Vs EV is counterproductive given that board and players are to blame for what is happening now.
But this whole discussion got started by Valverdistas who wanna rewrite history to fit their narrative
Barca without Messi = not EV's fault.
Barca with Messi = EV's credit
That's great logic..
By the way, point projection says nothing if is not backed with analytics that support it.
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serghei
Senior Member
EV and Setien are guilty of being ordinary managers. We need someone who is great. Not just good, but great. That is what Valverde and Setien clearly weren't.
Yea, problems are weak board + nasty veterans.
Messigician
Senior Member
I am certain we would have won the title if EV stayed.
Many of us were very upset at his sacking as we knew anyone hired would be a panic hire and we would just have a 90% chance of being even worse.
I am also certain EV would not have lost to Real Madrid, don't forget had we won we would have wrapped up the season and demoralised Madrid.
Basically I am predicting another UCL humiliation under Setien, early elections will be called and either Font, Rosell, or Laporta are elected and we are back to square 1.
We are in this mess because we fired Valverde now even Messi is unhappy! This has been a disaster
Many of us were very upset at his sacking as we knew anyone hired would be a panic hire and we would just have a 90% chance of being even worse.
I am also certain EV would not have lost to Real Madrid, don't forget had we won we would have wrapped up the season and demoralised Madrid.
Basically I am predicting another UCL humiliation under Setien, early elections will be called and either Font, Rosell, or Laporta are elected and we are back to square 1.
We are in this mess because we fired Valverde now even Messi is unhappy! This has been a disaster
Detective Hoffman
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We drew 0-0 with RM and lost to Atletico in Supercopa under EV this season.
Horatio
You're welcome
Oh yes, good old would've-s and could've-s from EV camp.
People saw a trophyless season every year since Valverde, so this really means nothing.
serghei
Senior Member
That's not true.
Horatio
You're welcome
U sure? After Neymar left?
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