Quique Setien

[xXKonan]

Was looking a bit at Pedri online, and he seems rather similar with Puig.

Might be to early to say this but for at least me He seems more talented than Puig is.

3 years younger and more dynamic and more versatile and is getting the job done in the 2nd division which is considered very physical despite his age.

 

[khaled_a_d]

He's getting benched by Ilaix for Barca B so probably not good enough tbh.

Yeah, forgot about Moriba and edited my post.
But Reis is the closest to the "Casamero" type.

 

[vegitot]

We do know something for sure. With this current team, and current conditions Setien gained more points than Valverde after 19 La Liga games. Difference between them is marginal, results show it.

I think BBZ was convinced at some point Setien would get less than 40 points. He got 42 and that's with the veterans creating troubles. Would've got 45 if we didn't treat the Osasuna game like idiots. That's a 90 point league campaign.

Lmao 90 points. Friendly remind that he bottled two points lead and gifted Madrid Liga tittle. No excuse for Osasuna match. A must win match and he failed

To your logic he only had 84 points, still behind Madrid and no Liga tittle.

Good luck at UCL

 

[vegitot]

1) The last charts show how many more chances Setien's tactics provided to Messi compared to EV's tactics.
Messi was saving EV' ass time and time again with outstanding finishing (making small chances into goals), something he did not do for Setien.
Consider if Messi under Setien was only at his xG (rather than below) Barca would have recouped maybe 6 points that would make the title race completely different at the end.

2) I never used any argument about 'style' and 'stylistical' improvement. I am talking about effectiveness. And effectiveness nowadays is measured by sophisticated football analytics, and not simply points accumulated

3) 'New coach' push is mainly a psychological factor, and usually it gets demonstrated in the surface and not in the underlying numbers.
Same with OGS. His underlying numbers for a long time were identical to Mou's . His players were finishing better, making minimal chances into goals, that they wouldnt make with Mou.
When the 'grace period' ended, results went were their expected results were

4) Totally agree that under normal board EV should have gone long time before.
I am not a Setienista. I rather wanna be fair to everyone, Setien included
Agree with the people above that Setien Vs EV is counterproductive given that board and players are to blame for what is happening now.
But this whole discussion got started by Valverdistas who wanna rewrite history to fit their narrative



Barca without Messi = not EV's fault.
Barca with Messi = EV's credit

That's great logic..

By the way, point projection says nothing if is not backed with analytics that support it.

History is that Valverde won 2 back to back Liga tittles, beat Madrid 3-0, 5-1 .

Setien with no Liga and worst Liga season since 2007/08.

Ask yourself why Messi is better under Valverde. Also De Jong, Griezmann...

Only thing he has done right now is play Puig more. UCL is ahead but i have serious doubt.

 

[Messigician]

Valverde in dawgs

 

[khaled_a_d]

One thing I will give props to Setien for is using young players.
While he had smaller squad, it is still good he put faith in many of those.
Fati was already first team, but kudos he continues to rely on him. Araujo was again obvious/only choice but he successfully eased him too.
As for Puig, no one would blamed him if he decided not to call him after his early games.

 

[Messigician]

One thing I will give props to Setien for is using young players.
While he had smaller squad, it is still good he put faith in many of those.
Fati was already first team, but kudos he continues to rely on him. Araujo was again obvious/only choice but he successfully eased him too.
As for Puig, no one would blamed him if he decided not to call him after his early games.

Lmfao what? So he's getting credit for playing Araujo now? He's playing him because he has no choice, injuries to Langlet and Umtiti or suspensions.

 

[serghei]

Lmao 90 points. Friendly remind that he bottled two points lead and gifted Madrid Liga tittle. No excuse for Osasuna match. A must win match and he failed

To your logic he only had 84 points, still behind Madrid and no Liga tittle.

Good luck at UCL

Sorry mate. As bad as he was, he still did better than Valverde this season.

 

[BBZ8800]

Sorry mate. As bad as he was, he still did better than Valverde this season.

How?

I see, you don't count 5 EV's matches without Messi.
And you count yesterday's friendly match as a regular match from the first part of a season, like let's say Bilbao away match with fans, without Messi&Suarez and when the opponents actually cared about winning the match.

That's like Copa Catalunya match vs CL semis, away to Liverpool.

Nice.

 

[Kul_z]

Club needs to hire psychologist for every man in the team, to talk them through mental issues and to clean their heads. Setien included.
We cant go far in cl with that amount of players that have suffered back to back traumas. They need to clear a possible doubts that are going through their heads during matches that doesnt go well for us.

 

[te amo barca]

Lmao 90 points. Friendly remind that he bottled two points lead and gifted Madrid Liga tittle. No excuse for Osasuna match. A must win match and he failed

To your logic he only had 84 points, still behind Madrid and no Liga tittle.

Good luck at UCL

We would have been humiliated as usual in the CL with EV. We might be humiliated in the CL with Setien. Getting rid of EV was worth it just for this. Of course Setien is not the man for the job, though. Need a better manager.

 

[serghei]

How?

I see, you don't count 5 EV's matches without Messi.
And you count yesterday's friendly match as a regular match from the first part of a season, like let's say Bilbao away match with fans, without Messi&Suarez and when the opponents actually cared about winning the match.

That's like Copa Catalunya match vs CL semis, away to Liverpool.

Nice.

How? He got more points.

 

[Barcilliant]

Listen folks it was worth getting rid of Shitverde just for the fact that we won't have to suffer a third humiliation in cl under him.
That man was a fucking 🤡. I detested him. His press conferences and quotes were more painful than a visit to the dentist. I'm no fan of Setien but he seems to be trying to improve and trying out various players and tactics. Team is in better physical condition but Shitverde left a fucking mess behind.
Fuck Shitverde. He should have been fired after the Roma debacle.

 

[Birdy]

History is that Valverde won 2 back to back Liga tittles, beat Madrid 3-0, 5-1 .

Setien with no Liga and worst Liga season since 2007/08.

Ask yourself why Messi is better under Valverde. Also De Jong, Griezmann...

Only thing he has done right now is play Puig more. UCL is ahead but i have serious doubt.

Please...

1) De Jong and Griezmann have been below par under EV.

2) EV won two LaLigas basically with no other candidate challenging for it. RM in shambles for two consecutive years.
The first competitive version of RM in LaLiga was this season.

3) Messi was finishing better under EV. That does not mean he 'plays better' under EV. Because playing better involves a lot more factors, and the function of the player within the team.
EV was providing Messi with less and smaller chances to score, as I have proved with multiple data.

Is this a better tactical plan?
Is this 'maximizing player' strength'?

Obviously NOT. And that is on the manager.

4) So, results only for you show the better coach. Di Mateo then is a great coach, right?

Just try to figure out what your argument exactly is, instead of throwing random facts that do not cohere with one another...

 

[Respekt_III]

Anyone that truly supports valverde and wanted him to remain for the 3rd season is a downright fucking retard. If you feel personally attacked by this, tough luck.