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Poor_Sunyol

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Some nice posts there guys, makes a change from some of the dross on here sometimes. Agree with most of what you all said but, I think you have the motivation for Perez's change in cantera policy wrong. The fact is that Platini's new financial regulations are coming in soon and Perez gambled buy spending everything he could get away with before those measures came in, which goes some way in explaining the grotesque amount of money that Madrid have spent in the last two years and more critically, why they will not spend anymore. Valdano is right when he tells Mourinho, "Look what you acheived with Inter with that squad, you have a better squad here".

Let us not forget how much Valdano and Jose hate each other, Jose will not get any help from Valdano and if anything, Valdano will go out of his way to make things more difficult for him.

Correction needed here, Galactico policy came @ a period of Madrid domination and Barca 5 year decline , it was in no way a response but an upgrade to the two times CL winning team.


It will change the fortunes and the mentality of the team completely .. this would be the butterfly effect
Barca's Achilles heal IMO are Xavi-Puyol.. not Messi
those 2 are getting old and time is not on their side . they are the linchpin of the team.. the moment they are out of the picture the mental strength will go down .

We have Pique groomed for that and Iniesta for the other. The joys of having a Cantera system that works....;)
 

Nándor

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Well Nandor something is better than nothing . the problem is Almeria defense called for a player like Benzema not because of his goal scoring powers but they needed someone in the middle to give us a kind of shape.
in the first half every one had the ball found no one to pass the ball to .
apart from that excellent post i agree with everything and Valdano-Perez pressure is good although it can drive Jose away and in that case i'm rather fond of our new Castilla manager i'd rather have him as next in line

Actually we're not that much apart on that issue...i just seem to have failed making that point.
Thing is, against Almeria - and baring Benzemas way of playing in mind, in almost every game he's involved - a striker, who moves around the box and inside, thus being a possibility to pass the ball to for those players that got the ball, has definitly been missing! No doubt about that, so we actually do agree on that too in the end. But nevertheless, this remains missing even with Benzema on the pitch. Reason being is the way Benzema plays/moves. Instead of moving around and inside the box, like in a 4-2-3-1 a striker actually should, Benzema sticks with his style of running around all over the field like a clueless, headless chicken with a fresh, fully charged battery put up its ass. So, not only does he fail to deliver good performances and goals, he most of all fails to deliver what's requested of him and his role in the system, thus in the end what's required!

Therefore it is my opinion, that starting Benzema would have changed nothing against Almeria, since the meantioned failures make him the wrong man for the job. You don't solve problems with a "wrong-man-strategy".
What actually would solve the problem is to play someone like Ruud, Morata, Llorente etc...Of course, the time until that problem is finally solved depends on the respective striker! Ruud would certainly solve the problem in less time than Llorente or Morata.

Regarding driving Mourinho away...remember what i said in the Almeria-Real Mardid thread about not trusting Mourinho with regards to matters of next season? Things like that are just the reason why i said that and why i'm not that happy with Mourinho coaching Real...it just has no future at all.
Things have changed at the club and Pérez & Valdano stand very firmly behind that changes. But instead of waking up and smell the coffe, Mourinho is all focused on fighting the clubs decisions by means of crying for a striker in the press.


Some nice posts there guys, makes a change from some of the dross on here sometimes. Agree with most of what you all said but, I think you have the motivation for Perez's change in cantera policy wrong. The fact is that Platini's new financial regulations are coming in soon and Perez gambled buy spending everything he could get away with before those measures came in, which goes some way in explaining the grotesque amount of money that Madrid have spent in the last two years and more critically, why they will not spend anymore. Valdano is right when he tells Mourinho, "Look what you acheived with Inter with that squad, you have a better squad here".

Let us not forget how much Valdano and Jose hate each other, Jose will not get any help from Valdano and if anything, Valdano will go out of his way to make things more difficult for him.

I agree with you to the extend, that the motivations for that change regarding Castilla is not all about a sudden love for Castilla or whatever colourfull reason, but more like a forced one due to Platinis regulations. But then again, refering to the remain season, Pérez & Valdano could give a rats ass on the Platini rule! Instead, they go with the Castilla already, since the current tenor seems to be: "either Ruud or Morata".

And to be totally honest - i can only speek for myself of course - i don't give a flying f*** about their motivations!!! With the past years in mind, the only thing i care about by now is the results; making a change in their thinking was the start. Now i expect that they move on to the next level and deliver the next result.
Personally i have high hopes for players like Sarabia, Morata, Álex, Jesé Rodriguez & Thomas Mejías (the real successor of Casillas IMO, since Adán will be "too old" onces Casillas retires) to make it into the first team on a permanent basis. All it needs is faith and taking good care of them. As it is now, Mourinho fails on the faith part. He prefers to work on excuses as to why this can't work.
YES, they are still kids at age 17...but they're not babies anymore! In order to deal with what's awaiting them in the first team, they need a coach who stands 200% behind them and protects them while they are trying. I don't see Mourinho willed to do that, thus not capable of doing it. Which is why, to me, he is the wrong man to be in charge of Real Madrid.

On a sidenote...Marcos Alonso for instance is an example of NOT taking good care. He's got what, some like 2 games in the english cups and 1 Premier game.
Parejo though is a good example of taking good care once you decide to have another club between Castilla and Real Madrids 1st team.
 

Beast

The Observer
Valdano is a club man.. there is no question about who we will pick
Some nice posts there guys, makes a change from some of the dross on here sometimes. Agree with most of what you all said but, I think you have the motivation for Perez's change in cantera policy wrong. The fact is that Platini's new financial regulations are coming in soon and Perez gambled buy spending everything he could get away with before those measures came in, which goes some way in explaining the grotesque amount of money that Madrid have spent in the last two years and more critically, why they will not spend anymore. Valdano is right when he tells Mourinho, "Look what you acheived with Inter with that squad, you have a better squad here".

Let us not forget how much Valdano and Jose hate each other, Jose will not get any help from Valdano and if anything, Valdano will go out of his way to make things more difficult for him.



We have Pique groomed for that and Iniesta for the other. The joys of having a Cantera system that works....;)
Much truth in this . however it's more of "who is wearing the pants " kinda thing
regarding Pique.. it's the question of who will compliment him .. he can't handle it on his own.
in the classico's for example Pique was capable of stopping CR but Puyol was like a man on steroids with everyone else
Iniesta can fill it up but to what extent ? remains to be seen
the lack of Xavi-Puyol goes way beyond the performance on the pitch

Regarding driving Mourinho away...remember what i said in the Almeria-Real Mardid thread about not trusting Mourinho with regards to matters of next season? Things like that are just the reason why i said that and why i'm not that happy with Mourinho coaching Real...it just has no future at all.
Things have changed at the club and Pérez & Valdano stand very firmly behind that changes. But instead of waking up and smell the coffe, Mourinho is all focused on fighting the clubs decisions by means of crying for a striker in the press.
That same morning you posted that Alfred Relano was writing the same thing over in his AS daily column and i figured you must have read it as well and agreed and hence your post was a replica of what Alfred said
i think nevertheless he will stay to prove a point if anything , Jose never left without having a success
 

Nándor

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That same morning you posted that Alfred Relano was writing the same thing over in his AS daily column and i figured you must have read it as well and agreed and hence your post was a replica of what Alfred said
i think nevertheless he will stay to prove a point if anything , Jose never left without having a success

:lol: are you serious?!?!?! Cause no, i didn't read that! My time got limited a lot lately and will remain limited, therefore my reading style is more like flying over headlines and pick out a (very) few ones to read. Alfredo Relanos colum however does not belong to my reading habits. So that was a matter of 1 professional, 1 Amateur, same opinion.

I can understand your thinking, but i seriously would not bet anything on Mourinho hanging tough till he wins something when he gets too much "problems" with Pérez & Valdano! In the end, he might draw the conclusion, that it's impossible for him to win anything with Real Madrid under these conditions.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
Mourinho hated being in Italy but he still managed to stay on board. You could argue that he stayed because he won the league but his projects are never shorter than two years.

If he leaves, I will be depressed from the moment he leaved until we win something.
 
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woobie

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Um. Isn't As supposed to be the more...sane..of the pro-Madrid sport dailies? Why're they coming out with a story like this? Is Mourinho really that unpopular with (management/players/fans)?
 

Poor_Sunyol

In Lucho we trust!
Valdano and him hate each other, add that to the fact that he isn't allowed to do what he wants and that he can't beat this Barca team = Run Away.

The whole of La Liga hates him, all the managers, refs and the authorities. Maybe he'll move to West Ham and Madrid will get Martin O'Neill?
 
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