Gnegneri
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Which is why I want to know if it then is game over for DLR in Spanish football. As I read G's posts, it is indeed like that.
That sheds a whoel different light over this particular case.
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That sheds a whoel different light over this particular case.
Gnegneri
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Well, in my view eh, you are not only ending the contract but also his career in Spain. And as Real is constantly that they care about the player (which they do, I don't dispute that) they should leave the decision to that player to really quit football. And he is not ready for that, otherwise he would have obviously accepted his fate. Therefore there should be a way to part ways contractwise but nor implying parting ways footballwise for DLR.
If they dereg him, can he come back to play football when they found 'the cure'?
If they dereg him, can he come back to play football when they found 'the cure'?
Beast
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Well there is several points to consider one of them is how ready he is to face the music ?
bare in mind it's just a report from Marca that he will refuse to quit nothing official from Ruben but as far as i know he said several times that his life especially with his new born who came to life last year before he collapsed is more important to him than playing.
he talked several times about how he is preparing for life after retirement in case he couldn't play again but my believe that Ruben problem is he (and everybody else in the world ) don't know what went wrong with him which brings me to the cure part .
In order to have a cure you need to have a disease , no one know how he collapsed or what's wrong with his heart, they checked his nerves , brains,heart , arteries and lately a full detailed genetic study there is no answer what went wrong .
he can't come back as a pro player at least in Spain ( i think )
beef-supreme
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Yes of course it's an extremely wise and logical signing - and Canales has so much talent it's crazy.
Well - to be fair aside from Saviola you can't really compare any of them to Canales. And Saviola's situation was quite peculiar as well, he could have been a success story but in my opinion he was quite a greedy, agent-controlled mercenary. Still is. Ezquerro - top striker but only ever a Soldado-type, good for a small team but not bigger - not a prodigy like Canales.
Also, Higuain over Benzema, you don't need to bring that up
You know how I am about Benzema, and I've really liked Higuain during the whole of his Madrid career, although I'm starting to like him less as he becomes more of a Madridista and less a great talent searching for a chance to shine.Anyway, I guess you're right about the timing of it all, but at Real you can never rely on a long-term plan, and perhaps that's why the youth system hasn't been successful of late. While there might be a select few players who get involved in the politics of the club, there is so much change at Madrid that it is more worth signing a quality player for a lot of money than someone who can be nurtured. This is why there is a threat to Canales, as in, who knows what the Madrid boss/es will think of him when it is supposed to be his turn to take over the Kaka/VDV role? You guys have made good use of feeder clubs, and the buy - loan back deal, but even that doesn't always mean that you are patient with the player in question. So that's what makes it a potentially risky move. Other than that, excellent signing.
Gnegneri
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See, that's a massive consequence coming from that contract rescission. Very though call.
So nobody knows how DLR is reacting. I went too far ahead on that thingy.
Beast
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They missed Castilla golden generation (Soldado,De La Red,Javi Garcia,Miguel Torres,Granero,Mata,Balboa..etc ) in the mid 00 , you don't get generation of generations of great footballers sometimes a generation stands out above the rest.
when Castilla rose to dominance few years back it was a terrible time @ the club with lots of instability and the galacticos were still trading water.
sadly the generation prior to that (pavon,Bravo,Mejia,Portillo..etc ) made the suggestion of promoting a youth team a very scary one due to the failure the previous guys suffered , in a way they were indirectly responsible for the lack of chances these guys got, they were crap /beyond the required level and were lucky to play lots of games but fucked up their career and Real Madrid as well .
It also gave a wrong impression about the players level in segunda and third division (a scouting /assessment problem)
that's why the loan deals seemed like the best test for those players.. they play in the first division and the club can monitor them well if they can cut it for the first team or not as they meet teams who play on the same level as Real . some make it like De La Red,Granero ,Soldado (although in another team ) , Mata ,Diego Lopez,Javi Garcia and even Parejo .. some just disappear totally like Nieto *Capello gave him his debut * , Balbao (flopped in Benfica ) ,Portillo and the most disappointing case was David Moreno who people (and cule's in the old forum ) said he is the closest thing to Messi .. plays now in Almeria B team .
not everyone can cut it @ a club like Real and not every star in a small team can be a star in a big team .. (on a side not i hope Negredo revive his career cause so far he isn't doing well with Seville which will kill any chance of him returning to Real next summer )
we have made many mistakes in the last decade with the youth team and the current Castilla team is suffering due to lack of proper setup and talent picking in most cases. at least the C and Juve are in better shape atm .
the deal for Canales is another hunt for the required quality for the future thankfully our man in charge of Racing (Miguel Portugal ) helped the current management snatch Canales (well sort off ) but i also understand how hard it is to get fooled by 3rd division stars when there is bad selection criteria and lack of proper planning .
when Castilla rose to dominance few years back it was a terrible time @ the club with lots of instability and the galacticos were still trading water.
sadly the generation prior to that (pavon,Bravo,Mejia,Portillo..etc ) made the suggestion of promoting a youth team a very scary one due to the failure the previous guys suffered , in a way they were indirectly responsible for the lack of chances these guys got, they were crap /beyond the required level and were lucky to play lots of games but fucked up their career and Real Madrid as well .
It also gave a wrong impression about the players level in segunda and third division (a scouting /assessment problem)
that's why the loan deals seemed like the best test for those players.. they play in the first division and the club can monitor them well if they can cut it for the first team or not as they meet teams who play on the same level as Real . some make it like De La Red,Granero ,Soldado (although in another team ) , Mata ,Diego Lopez,Javi Garcia and even Parejo .. some just disappear totally like Nieto *Capello gave him his debut * , Balbao (flopped in Benfica ) ,Portillo and the most disappointing case was David Moreno who people (and cule's in the old forum ) said he is the closest thing to Messi .. plays now in Almeria B team .
not everyone can cut it @ a club like Real and not every star in a small team can be a star in a big team .. (on a side not i hope Negredo revive his career cause so far he isn't doing well with Seville which will kill any chance of him returning to Real next summer )
we have made many mistakes in the last decade with the youth team and the current Castilla team is suffering due to lack of proper setup and talent picking in most cases. at least the C and Juve are in better shape atm .
the deal for Canales is another hunt for the required quality for the future thankfully our man in charge of Racing (Miguel Portugal ) helped the current management snatch Canales (well sort off ) but i also understand how hard it is to get fooled by 3rd division stars when there is bad selection criteria and lack of proper planning .
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I do not know why Cules are arguing the ten million for Canales. While the ten million may seem a lot for unproven player, there is no reason to suggest that our scouts have not been seen potential especially that Portugal is one of our own works with him.
While our behavior with our very own Cantera is poor when it comes to the first team, that does not mean we do not have top notch scouts and/or trainers.
While you may consider that we paid 5 million extra on a player on the verge of breaking through, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we would have perhaps needed to pay another ten had he proven himself for a season and there has been competition with Chelsea (who need a left winger), Barcelona (who need a LWF), Manchester United (who could use a left winger), Manchester City (who are determined as fuck to make a name for themselves and have the money to back them up) etc.... We will not destroy the player because we loaned him back to continue developing and a year later he would either flop, or make the shrink the ten million down to forgettable memory replaced by sublime performances.
Some of our young players flourished, some on their way to legendary status, and some have succeeded and failed. Marcelo for instance has flourished as left winger, Higuain is on his way to become an undisputed world beater (it will take time and more effort), Gago has helped us win 2 league titles until his heart couldn't pull him through his mediocre skill and Drenthe failed
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While our behavior with our very own Cantera is poor when it comes to the first team, that does not mean we do not have top notch scouts and/or trainers.
While you may consider that we paid 5 million extra on a player on the verge of breaking through, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we would have perhaps needed to pay another ten had he proven himself for a season and there has been competition with Chelsea (who need a left winger), Barcelona (who need a LWF), Manchester United (who could use a left winger), Manchester City (who are determined as fuck to make a name for themselves and have the money to back them up) etc.... We will not destroy the player because we loaned him back to continue developing and a year later he would either flop, or make the shrink the ten million down to forgettable memory replaced by sublime performances.
Some of our young players flourished, some on their way to legendary status, and some have succeeded and failed. Marcelo for instance has flourished as left winger, Higuain is on his way to become an undisputed world beater (it will take time and more effort), Gago has helped us win 2 league titles until his heart couldn't pull him through his mediocre skill and Drenthe failed
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Beast
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Ouch Madrid bitch slapped Guti .
After his statements that he want to go and play in another league and another club , Real said the door is open for him to leave in june but with conditions
1- will renounce the year left in his contract
2- won't go on loan but sold
3- won't go for Zero value
The club asked Guti to come up with an offer from any interested club (as he claimed )
After his statements that he want to go and play in another league and another club , Real said the door is open for him to leave in june but with conditions
1- will renounce the year left in his contract
2- won't go on loan but sold
3- won't go for Zero value
The club asked Guti to come up with an offer from any interested club (as he claimed )
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