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I`m actually happy for Madrid taking Ronaldo. I don`t like him anyway and whats most important, La Liga is showing everyone that we can take World Player of the Year form the best team in Premiership.

La Liga>>Premiership :cool:

Come on mate, this just is not true at all. Barca are the only world class team in La Liga at the moment.

While the Premiership has 4 teams that can compete in champions league. How many other teams have won La Liga recently?

OK Valencia have won a couple a while back. But in the whole history of La Liga, it is Barcelona and Madrid fighting it out while the rest compete for champions league places. IMO
 

Beast

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Real Madrid could afford Kaka if they offer Ramos + 40M. I don't think Milan would refuse.
Ronaldo is too expensive and his salary could stop Perez from his idea to sign the Portuguese, so he should go for Ribery. Actually this would be my transfer plan if I was Perez:

Kaka - 40M + Sergio Ramos
Ribery - 20M + Robben
X. Alonso - M. Diarra + Negredo
Filipe Melo - 15M + Gago
Silva+Albiol+Miguel - 40M (22 for Silva, 8 for Miguel, 10 for Albiol + some youngsters)
Sissokho - 10M
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All: 125M

also out:
Marcello - 8-10M to some English/Italian team
Sneijder - 15-20 M to Juve or Man City
Van Nistelrooy - 6-8M max
Guti - 4-6M
Metzelder - 7M
Van der Vaart - 8-10M
Drenthe - 5-6M
Salgado+Dudek+Cannavaro
= >< 60M income

So Real need like 60-65M up to 80M for summer signings and refreshing the team, which is achievable

First team
----Casillas
Miguel--Pepe--Albiol--Sissokho
----X. Alonso--F. Melo------
--Ribery---Kaka----Silva
-------Higuain------

Second team
------Codina-----
Torres--Garay--X. Garcia--Heinze
Parejo--De la Red--Lass--Granero
----Raul--Huntelaar--

What do you think of this, Beast?
it's very solid despite some players are out of position like Granero (RM ) Parejo (CM ) ..etc
i also don't see Marcelo being sold at all nor do i see Valencia selling everyone as people suggest ..
Raul remains a mystery .. if u listen closely to Perez there is a hint about him joining the staff maybe a coach/player role
at the end it's down to Carlo .. Perez will go this time to places u never thought he would go for.. i'd give it till the end of the month so players finish their domestic battles and transfers are clearer .. baring in mind if no one will put the 57 Mil.. Perez can start signing players 1st of June

In the Euros Pepe was crap again and dived every fucking time a forward went near him...why do u thro random names in the mix when discussing a particular player?? caceres, Reina? Fiorentina? wat the hell u on about? Do u take discussions everywhere just to win them?

if you must know yes Marquez is a class defender he might look like a knob i wanna punch 9 out of 10 times but he still better than alien Pepe....

Cannavaro, Heinze shld definitely be on their way out if their is any iorta of footballing sense in the the madrid Coaching team, cos those two are fit for teams like Palermo, Lecce etc

Still Pepe is the biggest joke he cost ridiculous amount of money cant stay on his feet for shit, useless in the aor except with his elbow out and just dont know when to stand off a player and watch him, plus he always always gets dragged out of position for no obvious reason and doesn't instill confidence in his fullbacks or defensive partner..bottom-line he is rubbish mate

Stop bringing up random shit to make him a point we talking about Pepe.

Robben might dilly dally on the ball, but fact is apart from Villareal game he never was any use for Madrid when facing European class opposition he is better off bullying Getafe's Almeria's, Bilbao and other struggling teams in la liga whose players seem extremely short on pace and atheleticism to match the modern game..If the jury is out on his playing ability, his obnoxious attitude and individual style of play doesn't help any team, he loses the ball so much the management crew and satdium wld loose more hair than him, if he stays on that is if he does'nt cry and get injured or even walk out on Madrid to jump ship at the nearest chance as I am sure he is a trophy hungry money grabbing mercenary
Pepe was crap in the Euro's ? lol .. really try to stop making a fool of yourself go back to your count thread

i'm trying hard to reply to your post seriously .. but you're giving no reason for anyone to do so..

how is the depression going on ? full throttle my guess ..
Funny to think that the whole of Madrid's future lies on that lying, cheating snake Perez. Ever get the feeling that the Merengues are going backwards? I can't see any of your ambitious players staying on, especially if/when Perez get's the nod. He will do what he always does and try and fill they team with players that will be totally loyal to him so that he has complete power in the dressing room and in the board room. Ramos will be off to Milan and Robben will also be off. I get the feeling that CR7 is no longer interested in joining you lot and all the players that you are linked with again this summer are pipe-dreams. How many players did Calderon promise and how many did you get? You will argue that Perez always get's his man, but I don't think he will find Real Madrid such a carrot this time around. There is a new world order since he was last around and Madrid are just about in the top 12 clubs in Europe at the moment and that is all down to past glories (most of which were bought anyway so are worthless).
Sunny you're a brother.. but when it comes to transfer prediction for Real you never got it right, not once :)
Lass,Robinho,Robben,Ramos ...etc
BTW I know Ribery can play at both LW and RW but I've also heard he can pull the strings from an AM position but never seen it...Is it true?
yep Snyde.. he can play in any of those positions and roam in those position with efficiency

Well Perez should be threat enough and Laporta's last season should be motivation enough for us to buy big before he is elected. Thereby strengthening the squad enough to dominate three trophies next year. Perez coming might turn out be a very good thing for us.
Liga never worked like this .. usually whoever wins get cocky and don't bother to reinforce well .. why fix it when it's not broken.. Real did then Barca did it then Real did it.. u can see the pattern

TBH I reckon they'll forget Ronaldo and go for Ribery. I just don't see how they can get both Ronaldo and Ribery to fit in the same team. If they do play a 4 man midfield then you have Ronaldo who doesn't track back, Ribery who also rarely tracks back, Kaka who also isn't known for it and then you have possibly Lass there to do all the defensive work like Makelele. That simply doesn't work in the game as it is currently, it worked in the early 00's when English teams couldn't defend as well and weren't as tactically astute, but now it doesn't Real would be eaten alive if they got all 3 of those players, especially away from home. One man protecting your back 4 with defensively lazy players around him = suicide in modern football.

There is alot of talk of Real getting Ribery, but if they get him they need to forget Ronaldo IMO and use the money to instead buy Xabi Alonso, someone who isn't scared to put a shift in defensively aswell as offering alot going forward. Ribery you can at least see from his L'OM days that he can put in some hard work closing down, Ronaldo you just can't...but anyway it comes down to either one of Ronaldo or Ribery, not both, and then add Kaka and Xabi Alonso then a CB to replace Cannavaro.
i don't think they will go for both as u said.. unless CR will be deployed as a CF since he did register the CR9 trademark however if you believe the speculation that Perez is getting Carlo Ancelotti as a manager then it's 4-1-3-2 ..which means a Pirlo-Gattuso-Seedorf behind a Kaka.. no wingers but attacking full backs.. if u try to translate this it means no Robben and CR is a Forward or behind the striker .. with people like
---------------Lass-------------
--------Xabi-----------Sneijder-------
---------------Kaka/Gourcuff ----------
----------CR (Pato role)---Huntelaar

I think you forget who signed him.
yep Ramos is moving nowhere he is Perez love child
 
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Snyde

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yep Snyde.. he can play in any of those positions and roam in those position with efficiency


Liga never worked like this .. usually whoever wins get cocky and don't bother to reinforce well .. why fix it when it's not broken.. Real did then Barca did it then Real did it.. u can see the pattern
Because you have elections and its Laporta's last year I'm sure we'll bring in a few big guns. Bet on it.
 
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blueduck

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Because you have elections and its Laporta's last year I'm sure we'll bring in a few big guns. Bet on it.

I think you will get one big signing, you have got around one star every summer in recent years.

You don't really need anyone, except you could sell Hleb and get more cover for Henry and Messi.
 

Beast

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well we can bet..amigo.. i don't think many changes will occur for a team winning the big treble a historical & remarkable achievement & record for Barcelona .. all you have to do now is win the Champions league and that would put this team on par with the best ever teams in the history of football
 

Nándor

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the good thing about all this is, soon it'll all be over and we'll know what players he wants/will come and most of all, what coach will be in charge.

funny how ancelotti still remains pérez' favorite in the press, despite countless polls having showed, that madridistas are not interested in ancelotti AT ALL. latest example, todays poll on MARCA. madridistas want:

1. wenger
2. juande
3. mourinho
4. ancelotti

knowing that pérez has always been a big fan of these polls, it strongly doubt he would stic with ancelotti despite him losing in EVERY poll there has been.

and i agree...no way he'll sell s. ramos!!!
 

Nándor

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btw...regarding the speculation about ancelotti, the press seriously seems to mess up with regards to yesterady. it's refered to pérez saying:

"Iam very close to Adriano Galliani. He calls me when he comes to Spain and I speak to him when I am in Italy"

goal.com claims this was his answer when asked about the coach, while both AS and MARCA report this as his answer with regards to kaka!!! as for the coach, he only was asked about wenger and mourinho, but he refused to talk yet about conrete names. instead he just said that both are very good coaches.

personally i believe goal.com screwed up and pérez has already dropped ancelotti, knowing full well, that he is not what madridistas want.
 

Beast

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well i feel something is different with him this time.. i could be wrong of course ..however in any case Perez despite my cheer hatred for him could be the best thing Real need a strong man @ helm and i trust the management team he has chosen to make all sporting decisions ..
I don't think anything will come out of his camp from now till 1st of June which is the official deadline for submitting his bid and after the league all over Europe will be over.. still most of his talk will be promise to get this or that.. Perez is not a fool if he doesn't have something 100 % secured he won't speak
 

Warik

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well we can bet..amigo.. i don't think many changes will occur for a team winning the big treble a historical & remarkable achievement & record for Barcelona .. all you have to do now is win the Champions league and that would put this team on par with the best ever teams in the history of football

True. However Pep has identified 4 areas he wants strengthened in the summer. Obviously some will be replacements, like a likely replacement for Sylvinho and Eto'o. He wants another CB as he is going to ship out Caceres on loan, but we have Henrique coming back who will be like a new signing tbh, plus Milito...Hleb will leave which will mean Pedro gets more chances, and if Eto'o leaves we will probably get Villa, and if Sylvinho goes we'll likely get Zhirkov or someone similar...and a new LWF...and possibly a new CM as Keita and Toure have ACN duty next year.

We won't make wholesale changes but we will change enough IMO to keep the hunger in the squad...
 

Zqa-

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Real Madrid could afford Kaka if they offer Ramos + 40M. I don't think Milan would refuse.
Ronaldo is too expensive and his salary could stop Perez from his idea to sign the Portuguese, so he should go for Ribery. Actually this would be my transfer plan if I was Perez:

Kaka - 40M + Sergio Ramos
Ribery - 20M + Robben
X. Alonso - M. Diarra + Negredo
Filipe Melo - 15M + Gago
Silva+Albiol+Miguel - 40M (22 for Silva, 8 for Miguel, 10 for Albiol + some youngsters)
Sissokho - 10M
--------
All: 125M

also out:
Marcello - 8-10M to some English/Italian team
Sneijder - 15-20 M to Juve or Man City
Van Nistelrooy - 6-8M max
Guti - 4-6M
Metzelder - 7M
Van der Vaart - 8-10M
Drenthe - 5-6M
Salgado+Dudek+Cannavaro
= >< 60M income

So Real need like 60-65M up to 80M for summer signings and refreshing the team, which is achievable

First team
----Casillas
Miguel--Pepe--Albiol--Sissokho
----X. Alonso--F. Melo------
--Ribery---Kaka----Silva
-------Higuain------

Wow, what is this? FM?
 

Beast

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True. However Pep has identified 4 areas he wants strengthened in the summer. Obviously some will be replacements, like a likely replacement for Sylvinho and Eto'o. He wants another CB as he is going to ship out Caceres on loan, but we have Henrique coming back who will be like a new signing tbh, plus Milito...Hleb will leave which will mean Pedro gets more chances, and if Eto'o leaves we will probably get Villa, and if Sylvinho goes we'll likely get Zhirkov or someone similar...and a new LWF...and possibly a new CM as Keita and Toure have ACN duty next year.

We won't make wholesale changes but we will change enough IMO to keep the hunger in the squad...

Pep proved to be a smart cookie .. but is Txiki the same ?
a replacement for Silvinho is possible due to retirement i think Henrique & Caceres is enough to cover Milito .. and if E2 leave then a big star will replace him (poor Bojan ) ...
however it will be more players coming from the youth team me think
 

Nándor

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well i feel something is different with him this time.. i could be wrong of course ..however in any case Perez despite my cheer hatred for him could be the best thing Real need a strong man @ helm and i trust the management team he has chosen to make all sporting decisions ..
I don't think anything will come out of his camp from now till 1st of June which is the official deadline for submitting his bid and after the league all over Europe will be over.. still most of his talk will be promise to get this or that.. Perez is not a fool if he doesn't have something 100 % secured he won't speak

true...one can call pérez a lot of things, but he sure ain't stupid imo. i really think he learned from a lot of his previous mistakes. i guess he will be eager not to make them again in order to avoid getting into the situation he was when he choose to resigne.

yep...i said that before too. pérez is a perfectionist. when he's going to make anything official, it will be "i HAVE SIGNED", instead of just promising players and never get them, like calderon did. thus he won't name any player/coach before he hasn't 100% secured his signing and before the leagues are over.
with regards to ribéry, that means he'll has to wait at lest till 23/05.

i also liked that he said under him, there will be SOME french players. i keep my fingers crossed these players will be ribéry and gourcuff
 

Beast

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i hope for Gourcuff ahead of Ribery to be honest.. we can go for the brilliant Antonio Valencia who would cost zillions less
 

Nándor

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as far as it has been reported, manu already striked a deal for valencia. though nothing will be made official yet.

i want them both. i wasn't that fond of ribéry before, since i only saw very little of im while with l'om, but ever since he moved to bayern, i was able to take a closer look and i really like his style to play football. imo, with regard to the offensive part, ribéry and two playermakers (you can't play a whole season with only one playmaker and i'm still convinced pérez will ship out all the dutches, cause 1) the already meantioned eye for an eye and 2) in order to fund the player madridistas want)
 

Beast

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we have 2 Playmakers already .. one them will leave.. the problem is playing VDV & Sneijder on the sides.. i hope wesley stays and regain form then add one play maker only
 
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