Sandro Rosell

[Cule Angles]

I have only read this forum until now, but I think I have to comment on a few things now... I always enjoyed reading what Cule Angles had to say, but this time I seriously disagree with you (and all the other poster who support Rossel). No probs, we're all here to discuss and debate!

Just a couple of remarks:

First, on a different note... Soriano & co. stepped down, so that they could in a united ticket in 2010 to my knowledge.

1. Rossel supports Guardiola. Well he didn't support him when Laporta had the guts to appoint him, neither did he support Rijkaard in the winter of 2004 or summer of 2004 for that matter. (he wanted Scolari) He also did not support the sales that Pep wanted. (eto'o, ronnie, deco) Not many did support Pep at the beginning of last summer and people weren't exactly queueing up to bag Sandro for disagreeing back then. Hindsight can make anybody look clever.
2. He pushed Rijkaard to change our formation from 433 to 4231. Obviously it didn't work, as Rijkaard found out himself soon enough. He opposes the Cruyff sistem and Cruyff himself. Plenty of people do oppose Cruyff's influence, I haven't seen anything to suggest Sandro is one of them let alone that Sandro would want to change the system that is the club's own. Lest we forget that Frank voluntarily changed the system to a 3-4-3 at one point later on and that was an utter disaster.
3. He signed Ronaldinho, but he DIDN'T sign Eto'o. Who claimed otherwise?
4. He didn't want to sell Ronaldinho last year, saying it would be better to sell him a couple of seasons back when he was still worth something. How much is Messi worth right now? Sandro said that Ronnie should have been sold in the Summer of 2007, it was a sensible argument because in the last twelve months he lost several suitors as the decline became more apparent.
5. He always criticized openly the current board after he was no longer on the board. Although this is basically a good thing, he did so also in the most uncertain times, when it was critical for all cules to support the club. He also wrote a book disclosing much confidential info about the club. Supporting the club doesn't always mean supporting the president.
6. He loves Nike not Barça. Simply wrong. He's a founding member of Elefant Blau, a Catalan and a life long member of FCB. Who are you?
7. Laporta is hated by Marca and As, Rossel is liked by them. Even beast likes him. (of course he does - his ideas resemble those of Perez)Madridistas have a different conception of football and even reality for that matter. Ergo -we should hate him As and Marca only feign respect for Rosell because he is anti-Laporta. As soon as a Rosell-lead Barça wins a clasico or a league any admiration/respect will evaporate if it doesn't do so as soon as he takes the hot seat.
8. R bought Quaresma.
9. R fired Bodiroga.
10. Laporta is the most succesfull president in the history of the club.. We may never repeat this kind of amazing era again. I agree, he is an egomaniac and lacks the diplomacy sometimes, but so does Rossel - and the latter didn't bring us 2 european cups and 3 leagues.. So where does your loyalty towards him come from? I have no loyalty towards Rosell but as a soci of FCB I will be required to choose a new leader for my club next spring. At the moment I think he appears to be the best option. How many trophies we win under a Rosell presidency is something we can't begin to predict.
11. He wants to buy Cesc for a lot of money. Fuck Cesc.

And most importantly: Laporta appointed Pep. And he represents everything we love about our club, from La masia to our devotion to beautifull football and everything else that goes along with this institution. That alone is enough for me. Rossel would never had the guts. Rosell joined Barça championing the same manifesto as Laporta, under the same banner as Laporta and espousing the same ideals as Laporta. Sandro understands how important La Masia and the style of football is to Barça, only a fool would think otherwise.

I guess we don't realize it will probably never again be so enjoyable and beatifull to be Barca fan as it is now.

Oh and one last thing from me... Who the fuck cares Spaniards don't love barca as much as they used to. Catalunya is not Spain. Spiritually it may not be, but the fact is that Catalans and Spaniards for the time being have to coexist and it would be nice if we had a president who didn't do everything possible to make that as difficult as it can be.

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[Metaphysical]

1. Rossel supports Guardiola. Well he didn't support him when Laporta had the guts to appoint him, neither did he support Rijkaard in the winter of 2004 or summer of 2004 for that matter. (he wanted Scolari) He also did not support the sales that Pep wanted. (eto'o, ronnie, deco) Not many did support Pep at the beginning of last summer and people weren't exactly queueing up to bag Sandro for disagreeing back then. Hindsight can make anybody look clever.

but that's not unusual.

I was right about everything bar gleb.

 

[Beast]

But Meta that's cause you support ANYTHING the club do more than you had a instinct

 

[Metaphysical]

But Meta that's cause you support ANYTHING the club do more than you had a instinct

but I don't, beast.

I had reasons for my support for everything. it wasn't blind following of the club's decisions, it was knowing that the club was making the right moves and that this would, with a little luck, lead to prosperity.

and they were. and it did.

and it was glooorious!

 

[FCBarca]

I have only read this forum until now, but I think I have to comment on a few things now... I always enjoyed reading what Cule Angles had to say, but this time I seriously disagree with you (and all the other poster who support Rossel).

Just a couple of remarks:


6. He loves Nike not Barça..

Money post...Very nice points...No one is going to tout Laporta as easy to work with but you can't argue with success, you can't argue with the image of the club, can't argue with the solvency, can't argue with Pep in charge and how bright the future is...Continuity is a lot safer bet than switching gears at this point

 

[Cule Angles]

Can't argue with the image of the club? I guess you haven't seen the news today. As for continuity, there is none, Laporta has to go and there is nobody else with experience at the club because he's fallen out with everybody at various times meaning we have a rookie staff making up the board.

Anybody who claims that Rosell doesn't love Barça is ignoring the years he's devoted to the club and his lifetime as a culé, a damned sight more devotion than either of the people supporting the accusation can claim.

 

[FCBarca]

Anybody who claims that Rosell doesn't love Barça is ignoring the years he's devoted to the club and his lifetime as a culé, a damned sight more devotion than either of the people supporting the accusation can claim.

Well, there's a compelling argument...Rosell has been supporting the club so much longer than I have or many others so obviously his credentials are impeccable...Gaspart was a longtime supporter and look how that turned out...Calderon was a Madridista since childhood, so?...It's irrelevant really, a history of supporting doesn't make you a bona fide candidate let alone competent

 

[Barcaman]

Not that I prefer Laporta but.. I think he shot himself in the foot with Sala i Martin and appointing few other "yes" men instead of grooming someone who has the chance to win the Elections from his existing directors. Take lessons from Putin ffs.

 

[John Antonio Bilboa]

Hopefully the change won't be too much of a distraction, i hope with all my heart that things will not change too much.

 

[FCBarca]

Not that I prefer Laporta but.. I think he shot himself in the foot with Sala i Martin and appointing few other "yes" men instead of grooming someone who has the chance to win the Elections from his existing directors. Take lessons from Putin ffs.

Definitely...His actions really suggests he's suffering from a Machiavellian meltdown...It's the irony on his tenure, IMHO.

On the one hand, on the external, the club is experiencing a golden age...On the other hand, internally, he's not maintaining many friendships by alienating and insulting.

Still, I go back to the culture of how things are run in these big clubs...It's almost like royalty...Nothing annoys me more than watching these old clowns in the box seats acting like they are at the opera and viewed as some sort of King...Plus, when there's that much money involved, everyone wants a piece of the action, everyone wants a piece of the recognition & accolades...Because at the end of the day, none of these Presidents are simply doing charity work - they're looking for some sort of payday, whether it's monetary or it's power.

I am sure Laporta is gearing up for something after Barca in the same vein but the thing I go back to is watching how geeked up he is for the success of the club, the players and promoting the image abroad...If the club is succeeding on the pitch, the club is in the black, the players are bringing joy to the world, Pep is leading the way with little bureaucracy & other clubs respect their interactions with Barca then why would I care if Laporta gets into pissing fights with Rosell, Ingla or anyone else?....I couldn't care less, to be honest...Even if Laporta was convinced he was responsible for all the success himself...The reality is, everything is clicking and he's been at the helm...It's hard to argue against that success.

Every President conceivable is going to be flawed in some manner or another, there is no such thing as perfection in that regard...Even our beloved Pep, has to have some inadequacies as a manager somewhere that we're simply not privy to or seeing it hurt the club...So, if his worst attributes are that he's full of himself but everything else ran like clockwork, what would you trade off to have Laporta be an Obama as President?...Less titles?...A little in debt?...I mean, I'm not naive enough to think there's going to be a President to walk in for the election and hit everything on the head from the start...I mean, does that even exist, with any club?

 

[John Antonio Bilboa]

Definitely...His actions really suggests he's suffering from a Machiavellian meltdown...It's the irony on his tenure, IMHO.

On the one hand, on the external, the club is experiencing a golden age...On the other hand, internally, he's not maintaining many friendships by alienating and insulting.

Still, I go back to the culture of how things are run in these big clubs...It's almost like royalty...Nothing annoys me more than watching these old clowns in the box seats acting like they are at the opera and viewed as some sort of King...Plus, when there's that much money involved, everyone wants a piece of the action, everyone wants a piece of the recognition & accolades...Because at the end of the day, none of these Presidents are simply doing charity work - they're looking for some sort of payday, whether it's monetary or it's power.

I am sure Laporta is gearing up for something after Barca in the same vein but the thing I go back to is watching how geeked up he is for the success of the club, the players and promoting the image abroad...If the club is succeeding on the pitch, the club is in the black, the players are bringing joy to the world, Pep is leading the way with little bureaucracy & other clubs respect their interactions with Barca then why would I care if Laporta gets into pissing fights with Rosell, Ingla or anyone else?....I couldn't care less, to be honest...Even if Laporta was convinced he was responsible for all the success himself...The reality is, everything is clicking and he's been at the helm...It's hard to argue against that success.

Every President conceivable is going to be flawed in some manner or another, there is no such thing as perfection in that regard...Even our beloved Pep, has to have some inadequacies as a manager somewhere that we're simply not privy to or seeing it hurt the club...So, if his worst attributes are that he's full of himself but everything else ran like clockwork, what would you trade off to have Laporta be an Obama as President?...Less titles?...A little in debt?...I mean, I'm not naive enough to think there's going to be a President to walk in for the election and hit everything on the head from the start...I mean, does that even exist, with any club?

I think the points you made are spot on, at the moment i think most Barca fans want the transition from Laporta to Rosell to happen as soundly as possible.It would be seriously detrimental to the club to have a simple change of presidency blown out of proportion.

 

[Dookie]

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I do not have much time right now so I cannot elaborate amply all my points, but I'll just try quickly...

1. Exactly. All the more respect to Laporta then. (and even Txiki for that matter)
2. Don't remember exactly ATM, but I think LG and LE played the wings in the first games in 03/04 (i made a mistake earlier when saying that was in 04), moving in to the middle most of the time, because our midfield was really benign with xavi, motta (also gerard an young andres) and ronnie, who rossel insisted must be played at AM. Cocu in the defense meant no real DM,, so until davids arrived, ronnie wasn't moved to LF,; and we all know what happened after that. Cruyff's influence was one of the main reasons for Rossels resignation from the board... Coincidently Cruyff was one of the main informal leaders of Elafant Blau and a strong opposer to Nunez.. This is really a longer story, so maybe some other time...
3. It wasn't you, but another poster, i'm very sorry.
4.. Rossel said last year - 2008, that Ronnie should have been sold two years earlier - 2006, after we have won CL and were the best team in the world and ronnie being the best player in the world. This way we would have made the most money, he claimed.
5.Not always definitely. Sometimes surely.
6. I've meant this more as a metaphore and what his policy represents for barca. I'm not claiming he doesn't support the club. But Laporta was also a founding member of Elefant Blau and look what you think of him, so I don't understand the argument... Me? I'm nobody and I sure as hell ain't running for fcb president.
7. I agree. All the footbal media in spain is the lowest. But what is written in as is beyond all human kind comprehension.
8. And I respect your opinion.

I'm no fool and I know what I read. And I never heard Rossel talk about anything else than football stars, money, sponsorships and criticizing the current board, while on the other hand Laporta is a fool sometimes, but at least I'm sure he loves the club and breathes barcelonismo, even though he makes mistakes often.

Rossel is sorrounded with sponsor connections, influence and wealth. Like Perez. He may not be his friend but he sure as hell acts like him.

 

[FCBarca]

I'm no fool and I know what I read. And I never heard Rossel talk about anything else than football stars, money, sponsorships and criticizing the current board, while on the other hand Laporta is a fool sometimes, but at least I'm sure he loves the club and breathes barcelonismo, even though he makes mistakes often.

Rossel is sorrounded with sponsor connections, influence and wealth. Like Perez. He may not be his friend but he sure as hell acts like him.

Can't believe how nearly identically we are on the same page...You hit on precisely the same factors that go into my take on the situation...Nicely iterated

 

[Metaphysical]

my main beef with sandrusco is that he opposes cruyff and cruyffism (or has in the past, so would turn against it as soon as things weren't all going smoothly and we weren't owning everyone with it).

and that's mighty gay.

 

[beautifulgame]

I've always understood Rossell as an intelligent guy, but if it is true that he opposes Cruyff then I'm not sure I can support him. Cruyff just knows football, plain and simple.