The Negreira case

[jairzinho]

Were payments made directly from the club or through a 3rd party under the table? None of this makes any sense.

 

[Gari]

Joan Laporta- "Culers, be calm. Bar?a is innocent of what it is accused of and the victim of a campaign against its honor in which everyone is now involved. No surprise, we will defend Bar?a and prove our innocence. Many will have to rectify."

 

[Luftstalag14]

Strange. I would say 16 league and 13 Copa del Rey titles since the 90s, vs Madrid with 10 / 7, is quite fantastic. Seems it was money well spent. In short your feelings are irrelevant considering it is just another shipment of cognitive bias.

In La Liga multiverse Real is the one paying VC millions. Situation on barcaforum reaches a boiling point, suggesting Real Madrid should be dissolved and its assets given to other league clubs, while Santiago Bernabeu should be deconstructed and used to rebuild Camp Nou.

No biggie guys. It is just a flesh wound.

Where and what is the actual evidence that Barca obtained those titles because it benefited from refs' decisions? Which games to be exact?

 

[serghei]

Where and what is the actual evidence that Barca obtained those titles because it benefited from refs' decisions? Which games to be exact?

Don't feed the troll. He's either a troll or an idiot, and neither of these scenarios is worthy of your time.

 

[xXKonan]

Where and what is the actual evidence that Barca obtained those titles because it benefited from refs' decisions? Which games to be exact?

Problem with that post it's a lot like the other posts you see on Reddit or any other Football related discussion forums when it comes to this case.

We get shit for claiming we are biased even though this is a bad stain on our reputation and that we deserve shit that is coming to us. But this is if they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that beyond us bribing Negreira, and right now they still haven't provided evidence that obvious tampering happened in these games.

All El Mundo did was just expose the relationship and even they can't provide evidence that shit was tampered with.

 

[DonAK]

Incompetent fools like barto come and go

We get one incompetent fool like valencia as the owner we are fucked forever

Great point. Not trying to downplay the damage that can be caused by an idiotic, moronic and incompetent or corrupt president, the pain is relatively short-term as they can be voted out. With the owner(s), it is a gamble for a long time until they sell the club.

Yes, that is a risk.

Although IMO:

If you can put proper measures in place to avoid something like this or whatever Bartomeu and Rosell were doing for years then I'd be in favour of the current model, but if not......I'd be in favour of a sale.

As for an owner like Peter Lim then a massive club like Barcelona would not get sold to a man like Peter Lim.

Peter Lim is what people call for a "poor" billionaire.

If Barca is sold it'd get sold to people with more resources that are more likely to want to invest properly in the club.

 

[serghei]

As for an owner like Peter Lim then a massive club like Barcelona would not get sold to a man like Peter Lim.

Peter Lim is what people call for a "poor" billionaire.

If Barca is sold it'd get sold to people with more resources that are more likely to want to invest properly in the club.

The club won't be sold probably, the catalans are too proud for that.

But if it did let's say, Barca would be so expensive to buy, that selling the club would always be more likely than not, in case of bad management.

Nobody would have more motivation to see the club performing at the top, being extremely successful, than the owner. It's how capitalism works. High profile rich owners are maniacs when it comes to making money and achieving their goals, they didn't become billionaires by driving their bussinesses into the ground.

Peter Lim is not dedicated to making Valencia successful because it's nowhere near the level of pressure and investment that buying Barca would be. When you buy Barca, first you have to afford it which Lim doesn't, and then if you do manage to buy it, it will become a massive focus of your ownership portfolio.

 

[DonAK]

The club won't be sold probably, the catalans are too proud for that.


But if it did, let's say, Barca would be so expensive to buy, that selling the club would always be more likely than not in case of bad management. Nobody would have more motivation to see the club performing at the top than the owner. It's how capitalism work. High profile rich owners are maniacs when it comes to making money, they didn't become billionaires by driving their bussinesses into the ground.

For the ultra rich they also see it as a part of their legacy and just something they love so they're more inclined to invest.

See Steve Ballmer with the Los Angeles Clippers for example.

If and that's a big if Barcelona are sold the worst thing that would happen is the owner spending a lot of money like an idiot like Boehly and not an owner not spending at all and burning it down to ground like Lim.

 

[serghei]

For the ultra rich they also see it as a part of their legacy and just something they love so they're more inclined to invest.

See Steve Ballmer with the Los Angeles Clippers for example.

If and that's a big if Barcelona are sold the worst thing that would happen is the owner spending a lot of money like an idiot like Boehly and not an owner not spending at all and burning it down to ground like Lim.

Exactly.

The only big downside in selling the club is that you lose the romantic notion of being owned by the fans. It's far more appealing than becoming an entry in someone's ownership porftolio.

For socios to maybe come to terms with that, and accept a sale, the club would have to sink very low. We're not anywhere near that yet.

 

[DonAK]

If Barca are to get sold the club will likely use an investment bank like the Raine Group(like with Man Utd), JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, whatever to broker the sale where interested bidders/parties would have to meet the demands of sale price, short- medium and long-term plans for the club, be committed to personally invest an X amount of money into the club and take over and possibly remove the outstanding debt, etc.

The sale process of club of Barca's stature would be thorough and take time. Peter Lim took over Valencia because they were in such a horrible situation they were on the verge of being liquidated with them owing so much money to their creditors that they weren't able to function properly and were considering dropping out of competitions to save money.

 

[serghei]

The sale process of club of Barca's stature would be thorough and take time. Peter Lim took over Valencia because they were in such a horrible situation they were on the verge of being liquidated with them owing so much money to their creditors that they weren't able to function properly and were considering dropping out of competitions to save money.

Funny enough, that's the most realistical scenario that would lead to Barca being sold. Such huge financial problems, such a series of disastrous boards and scandals, that selling the club is the only way out of the hole.

 

[mc_lovin]

Funny enough, that's the most realistical scenario that would lead to Barca being sold. Such huge financial problems, such a series of disastrous boards and scandals, that selling the club is the only way out of the hole.

I will never understand how anyone can advocate for the club to be sold

 

[serghei]

I will never understand how anyone can advocate for the club to be sold

I'm not really advocating for it. It's just that I'd quickly adapt to it if that was the case with minimal fuss. I wouldn't see it as this big tragedy and would look at the positives that would come out of a sale.

It wouldn't be all bad that's for sure. Just no oil states, and it's fine.

If Qatar actually got their hand on the real thing instead of trying to copy it... that would be worthy indeed.

 

[Givenchy]

I'm not really advocating for it. It's just that I'd quickly adapt to it if that was the case with minimal fuss. I wouldn't see it as this big tragedy and would look at the positives that would come out of a sale.

It wouldn't be all bad that's for sure. Just no oil states, and it's fine.

If Qatar actually got their hand on the real thing instead of trying to copy it... that would be worthy indeed.

Yeah I'm in agreement, would sell as long as it's not an oil state, most notably Qatar who have turned PSG into a complete circus. UAE did a good job with City but still are hit by scandals so no guarantee we don't find ourselves in court again.

 

[DonAK]

I will never understand how anyone can advocate for the club to be sold

If our future is more corruption scandals, levers being pulled due to more mismanagement then I would want the club to be sold for sure than for it to essentially become a B or C-tier club due to all those issues accumulating. Although not sold to a state.

Not sure why anyone would get so defensive about it when the club's made it obvious they see non-Catalan fans as second class fans.

First option would be everything else being mentioned earlier in this thread though which I cannot be bothered repeating half a dozen times.