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PhilS

Guest
Come on guys... It's not stepping backwards, if any it will help more to play some competetive football week in week out! He not only learns from the masters but also plays regularly now. For example, even though he was not being selected for the squad he did train with the first team today!!

That's what I was thinking, he needs to play a lot now for his development. Thiago can start in the last 23 games for Barca B, unless he is needed on the first team bench because of midfielder injuries. This is the best way to make him more ready to really contribute to the first team starting next year.
 

beef-supreme

Senior member
In all fairness I would have thought it ideal for him to play against Betis... However, the Betis selection aside, it is ideal for him to be training with the first team but being selected for the B team. Cause if he gets called up for every first team match, and plays 5 or 10 mins as a sub (and sometimes does not make an appearance at all) it will only stunt his development. Again, I think he should've played the 90 against Betis, but that call aside, this decision is for the better imo. He'll get 90 mins in La Segunda and hopefully be fully promoted by the start of next season.
 

alex 10

New member
In all fairness I would have thought it ideal for him to play against Betis... However, the Betis selection aside, it is ideal for him to be training with the first team but being selected for the B team. Cause if he gets called up for every first team match, and plays 5 or 10 mins as a sub (and sometimes does not make an appearance at all) it will only stunt his development. Again, I think he should've played the 90 against Betis, but that call aside, this decision is for the better imo. He'll get 90 mins in La Segunda and hopefully be fully promoted by the start of next season.


hopefully he will be promoted by the start of next season it has already been said that he is
 

UEFA_Barça_Chris

o Fenômeno
dont you think if we buy fabregas he would have a little trouble adapting with La Liga with the tackles? correct me if I'm wrong. But I disagree with buying Cesc for at least 3 years. THIAGO-CESC
 
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Richard.H

Senior Member
Not a bad decision to keep him on the B team for this season. It's obvious that he will see action only a a few times in the first team. Let him own the Segunda and come to next season with plenty of motivation and revenge in his mind :)
 

yusuf

Yusuf Islam
hmm...solid decision and with the playing time he can come into his own and hopefully take some minutes from xavi next season
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
I totally support Pep with his decision to send Thiago back to the B team but I cannot really find an excuse to not select him for this match... Last time the team were suffering from complacency it was Thiago who bailed us out. I think we missed him for the match against Betis. There was no real need to actually not select him
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
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Chainsaw

Killahead
I totally support Pep with his decision to send Thiago back to the B team but I cannot really find an excuse to not select him for this match... Last time the team were suffering from complacency it was Thiago who bailed us out. I think we missed him for the match against Betis. There was no real need to actually not select him

And there was no need to play the match with so many senior starters in the team. Specially when the team was way below par for the whole match. Jeffren, Thiago and Fontas had to be in the line-up. I pity Guardiola didn't rest Messi, Xavi and Pique.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
article explaining the thiago sit, by sport

The return of Thiago Alcantara to Barca B stirs up lively discussions but it is just one of the phases in his maturation process: to be precise, the last stretch of the so-called Phase 3. The four months in which Thiago co-existed with the first team has not been plain-sailing but filled with obstacles which he passed.


Why is there so much focus on Thiago?

Thiago is one in a few since his early childhood. He has always played in a category or two above his age, skipping stages, and he stands out because of his natural talent and unusual technical skill. That being said, there are doubts being cast on his commitment towards his team. Nobody has ever denied his exceptional qualities, but no one dared to guarantee that he would put them to the service of his team either.

On FC Barcelona’s training grounds there are talks that he is his own enemy and on whether he is willing to put his talents to his team’s orders. Mario Rosas [Barca B 1997-2000] soon came to mind, a player who once cast a shadow over Xavi Hernandez in the Barca cadets, and Ivan de la Pena [Barca B 1993-96, Barca 1995-98], the ‘fantasist’ who would not return a pass, or even Guti, the Real Madrid player. His coaches conspired together so he does not turn into one of them – inconsistent, disconnected and only thinking of personal glory. For years, his trainers emphasize on improving this aspect of the player and eliminating his ‘bad’ habits.

What had he done so far?

At 16, Thiago already played for Barca B in the 2007-08 season, when Guardiola debuted as a coach in the Third Division. Specifically, 121 minutes over five substitutions. Later, two full seasons in the B with Luis Enrique, correcting gaps and progressing, but without consolidating himself as the great midfielder he promises to be: in 2008-09 played 1,311 minutes (17 games as a starter, 8 subs), dipping to 838 minutes the next season (8 games as a starter, 5 subs), the result of injuries, international call-ups and two months with the first team when Keita and Toure were off for the African Cup. Most notable in these two months was the goal he scored against Racing, and it generated a ticking off from Guardiola for celebrating it with Jonathan dos Santos on the bench and leaving his position on the pitch.

Why a 4-month trial?

His contract renewal last June introduced a delicate clause: the club had to confirm before January 31, 2011 if he would be promoted to the first team the next season. Before making a decision, Pep Guardiola wanted to make sure and seconded Thiago from the month of October. Mazinho, his father and agent told this paper: “If they say to me today he would be playing for Barca B again next season I would say no. The kid is ready to play in any team.” Guardiola wanted to test the boy and, above all, his entourage and applied the carrot and stick policy: start one day, on the bench the next. Four bumpy months where Thiago behaved marvellously in trainings, and shines in the minutes that he played but still showing some shortcomings like the risky pass he made that led to the Levante goal at the Camp Nou or being caught out of position corrected several times by the coach.

What has been put to test?

The test consisted of verifying the degree of his maturity to cope with living with the best players in the world without being arrogant. A few weeks ago, Tito Vilanova told this paper: “Rushing in a player of 18 or 19 years is bad. It is necessary to give these boys time to mature and that goes for his associates too,” citing Iniesta as an example: “Andres was not a full starter until aged 23, and that, after having to adapt to all the positions. If a great player like Iniesta didn’t make it until 23, no one should be worried about an 18-year-old not starting.”

The test, therefore, has been to see that Thiago and his entourage would endure without the slightest discomfort or problem the ups and downs that he had been subjected to in this period, alternating between starting a match and sitting on the bench for as many minutes. And he passed without flinching, knowing that it is part of the maturation process of his character. Sources confirmed the reality as opposed to appearances. Thiago is still a humble, hardworking and willing to learn player. He may give an image of arrogance but that does not correspond with reality. At the end of four months, and after having played 10 games, Guardiola gave his blessing and the club confirmed that next season he will be promoted. The next day his return to Barca B was announced to complete Phase 3 of his training.

What is Phase 3?

The arrival of Pep Guardiola and Tito Vilanova to the Barca B [Barca Atletic] in the summer of 2007 launched a common roadmap for all promising youth players. The script envisages three phases from a player’s first ascent to Barca B: Phase 1, the player is placed in a “reserve – rotation”; Phase 2, “rotation – maturation”; and Phase 3, being a “key player” for Barca B. For each of the phases, a period of between 6 and 9 months is allocated, so the whole process took no more than two and a half years. At the end of the process, the corresponding evaluation dictates whether the player is in the right condition to be promoted to the first team or be loaned/transferred. Thiago is in the middle of Phase 3, meaning he now faces the most significant moment in his footballing career, returning to Barca B as a key player especially at a worst possible moment for Luis Enrique’s midfield, which is decimated by injuries.

Why has he not played in B in these months?

That’s because there is an unwritten rule that you play where you train. If you train with the first team, you are at their disposal (even if it is only on the bench). It seeks to prevent cases that had happened in the past, with reserve players who trained all week with the first team ending up playing with the B, taking the place of those who worked for the position. The rule was introduced with the B by Guardiola and continued by Luis Enrique. The club’s director of sports believes that it is a stringent standard with some contradictory aspects, but has faith in Guardiola and Luis Enrique, who prefer applying it. Both consider the standard has both moral and educational virtues: no player can not feel like he has a guaranteed place in the B just because they have trained with the first team.

What awaits him at Barca B?

His return to B is not only because there is a congestion in the first team but also a lack of midfielders in B , and because Phase 3 has to be completed and to show that, beyond contracts and declarations , has the makings of a leader. Now he has to carry the team and lead them in the second round of the season – to demonstrate character and commitment, to be in charge in lieu of the injured Oriol Romeu, Sergi Roberto and the possible loss of Jonathan dos Santos. Now there will be no half measures: with promotion on the immediate horizon, Thiago can not disappoint in his return to B. The demand on him has been raised especially with his brother, Rafinha, waiting in his wings.
 

Koma

New member
This is getting anoying. Wtf he is not next Mesia, test this test that bla bla. Look at Ajax, player is good, boom first team and he is a world star. :D
 

Butaan4barca

New member
This is getting anoying. Wtf he is not next Mesia, test this test that bla bla. Look at Ajax, player is good, boom first team and he is a world star. :D

read the article again....its brilliant and makes a lot of sense to me....hats off to Guardiola for making the 3 steps and unwritten rule...
 

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