Thiago Translantara

jamrock

Senior Member
they had an article on their site about basically the same thing last season, long before any of this thiago stuff.

you barca fans should read more about things involving your club
 

iookram

New member
they had an article on their site about basically the same thing last season, long before any of this thiago stuff.

you barca fans should read more about things involving your club

I remember that article. It was about the process of La Masia-Barca B-1st team.
 

Koma

New member
To complicated, Ajax way the right way. Also, as someone said, all this could be just random shit by Sport, they have to many reporters, they need to write something. :D
 

barcetia

Mikrofonkåt
article explaining the thiago sit, by sport

The return of Thiago Alcantara to Barca B stirs up lively discussions but it is just one of the phases in his maturation process: to be precise, the last stretch of the so-called Phase 3. The four months in which Thiago co-existed with the first team has not been plain-sailing but filled with obstacles which he passed.


Why is there so much focus on Thiago?

Thiago is one in a few since his early childhood. He has always played in a category or two above his age, skipping stages, and he stands out because of his natural talent and unusual technical skill. That being said, there are doubts being cast on his commitment towards his team. Nobody has ever denied his exceptional qualities, but no one dared to guarantee that he would put them to the service of his team either.

On FC Barcelona’s training grounds there are talks that he is his own enemy and on whether he is willing to put his talents to his team’s orders. Mario Rosas [Barca B 1997-2000] soon came to mind, a player who once cast a shadow over Xavi Hernandez in the Barca cadets, and Ivan de la Pena [Barca B 1993-96, Barca 1995-98], the ‘fantasist’ who would not return a pass, or even Guti, the Real Madrid player. His coaches conspired together so he does not turn into one of them – inconsistent, disconnected and only thinking of personal glory. For years, his trainers emphasize on improving this aspect of the player and eliminating his ‘bad’ habits.

What had he done so far?

At 16, Thiago already played for Barca B in the 2007-08 season, when Guardiola debuted as a coach in the Third Division. Specifically, 121 minutes over five substitutions. Later, two full seasons in the B with Luis Enrique, correcting gaps and progressing, but without consolidating himself as the great midfielder he promises to be: in 2008-09 played 1,311 minutes (17 games as a starter, 8 subs), dipping to 838 minutes the next season (8 games as a starter, 5 subs), the result of injuries, international call-ups and two months with the first team when Keita and Toure were off for the African Cup. Most notable in these two months was the goal he scored against Racing, and it generated a ticking off from Guardiola for celebrating it with Jonathan dos Santos on the bench and leaving his position on the pitch.

Why a 4-month trial?

His contract renewal last June introduced a delicate clause: the club had to confirm before January 31, 2011 if he would be promoted to the first team the next season. Before making a decision, Pep Guardiola wanted to make sure and seconded Thiago from the month of October. Mazinho, his father and agent told this paper: “If they say to me today he would be playing for Barca B again next season I would say no. The kid is ready to play in any team.” Guardiola wanted to test the boy and, above all, his entourage and applied the carrot and stick policy: start one day, on the bench the next. Four bumpy months where Thiago behaved marvellously in trainings, and shines in the minutes that he played but still showing some shortcomings like the risky pass he made that led to the Levante goal at the Camp Nou or being caught out of position corrected several times by the coach.

What has been put to test?

The test consisted of verifying the degree of his maturity to cope with living with the best players in the world without being arrogant. A few weeks ago, Tito Vilanova told this paper: “Rushing in a player of 18 or 19 years is bad. It is necessary to give these boys time to mature and that goes for his associates too,” citing Iniesta as an example: “Andres was not a full starter until aged 23, and that, after having to adapt to all the positions. If a great player like Iniesta didn’t make it until 23, no one should be worried about an 18-year-old not starting.”

The test, therefore, has been to see that Thiago and his entourage would endure without the slightest discomfort or problem the ups and downs that he had been subjected to in this period, alternating between starting a match and sitting on the bench for as many minutes. And he passed without flinching, knowing that it is part of the maturation process of his character. Sources confirmed the reality as opposed to appearances. Thiago is still a humble, hardworking and willing to learn player. He may give an image of arrogance but that does not correspond with reality. At the end of four months, and after having played 10 games, Guardiola gave his blessing and the club confirmed that next season he will be promoted. The next day his return to Barca B was announced to complete Phase 3 of his training.

What is Phase 3?

The arrival of Pep Guardiola and Tito Vilanova to the Barca B [Barca Atletic] in the summer of 2007 launched a common roadmap for all promising youth players. The script envisages three phases from a player’s first ascent to Barca B: Phase 1, the player is placed in a “reserve – rotation”; Phase 2, “rotation – maturation”; and Phase 3, being a “key player” for Barca B. For each of the phases, a period of between 6 and 9 months is allocated, so the whole process took no more than two and a half years. At the end of the process, the corresponding evaluation dictates whether the player is in the right condition to be promoted to the first team or be loaned/transferred. Thiago is in the middle of Phase 3, meaning he now faces the most significant moment in his footballing career, returning to Barca B as a key player especially at a worst possible moment for Luis Enrique’s midfield, which is decimated by injuries.

Why has he not played in B in these months?

That’s because there is an unwritten rule that you play where you train. If you train with the first team, you are at their disposal (even if it is only on the bench). It seeks to prevent cases that had happened in the past, with reserve players who trained all week with the first team ending up playing with the B, taking the place of those who worked for the position. The rule was introduced with the B by Guardiola and continued by Luis Enrique. The club’s director of sports believes that it is a stringent standard with some contradictory aspects, but has faith in Guardiola and Luis Enrique, who prefer applying it. Both consider the standard has both moral and educational virtues: no player can not feel like he has a guaranteed place in the B just because they have trained with the first team.

What awaits him at Barca B?

His return to B is not only because there is a congestion in the first team but also a lack of midfielders in B , and because Phase 3 has to be completed and to show that, beyond contracts and declarations , has the makings of a leader. Now he has to carry the team and lead them in the second round of the season – to demonstrate character and commitment, to be in charge in lieu of the injured Oriol Romeu, Sergi Roberto and the possible loss of Jonathan dos Santos. Now there will be no half measures: with promotion on the immediate horizon, Thiago can not disappoint in his return to B. The demand on him has been raised especially with his brother, Rafinha, waiting in his wings.
I love you jammy.
 
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neanz

Guest
Pep spoke about the situation of Thiago to the media today: "Thiago is not moving. Next year he will be in the first team. He stays."

:dance:
 
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neanz

Guest
Let's just say I had my doubts about this '3 phase' article. Needed Pep to confirm what seems to be on the horizon now.
 

deelio

New member
yep
id pick any la masia product instead of some world-class star.

even if they perform bad, it's the support you must give for your clubs sake.
^not at Thiago, he's brilliant.

That "some world-class star" is also a la masia product. But i do agree that cesc is not needed (but it would be nice, of course).
 

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