Thiago Translantara

[DonAndres]

A league campaign shows the best team pure and simple. Were they better than previous Pep teams? No but they were better in the league than the year before and their consistency to keep ahead caused problems at Madrid.

Pretty much no one I know claims Chelsea were the best team in 2011-12. Knock out competitions are a totally different things. Leagues on the other hand provide a deserved winner.

Do you think I am pointing to the 100 points as a sign of this Barca being better than Pep or that they had a season that cant be questioned on?

Thats not the case. I am saying that it shows that Tito is not totally clueless he was able to get them back to winning ways from the previous season. Of course there is room for improvement in particular the biggest games but he is deserving of keeping his job and the 100 points league win is sign of that.

If he doesnt now have the power to make the changes needed I agree it could be time to look elsewhere but it was not realistic for him to start making those changes last season.

I'm not saying the season was an utter failure but it definitely warranted rightful criticism in certain areas and I don't feel it was overall that convincing. Tito himself has earned at least 1 more season but he seems to be the kind of coach that's just there to attempt to recreate what Pep made, yet unsuccessfully fixing the problems left by him. He doesn't take much authority over the team and doesn't impose his own ideas or brain to solve problems, only sticking with the system he knows. Tiki taka doesn't have to die, but the coach needs to bring the team together and keep the system alive. We'll see if Tito can do that.

 

[Cule4life]

You think he did not rotate then i take it?

:thiago: says hi

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not saying the season was an utter failure but it definitely warranted rightful criticism in certain areas and I don't feel it was overall that convincing. Tito himself has earned at least 1 more season but he seems to be the kind of coach that's just there to attempt to recreate what Pep made, yet unsuccessfully fixing the problems left by him. He doesn't take much authority over the team and doesn't impose his own ideas or brain to solve problems, only sticking with the system he knows. Tiki taka doesn't have to die, but the coach needs to bring the team together and keep the system alive. We'll see if Tito can do that.

Of course he was going to revert to the tactics under Pep it made complete sense to do that and see where they stand.

Pep tried to change things in his last season and it didnt work, it made sense to go back to what worked previously even though the problems from before would still be there.

There is little chance he would come in, start dropping the big players and changing the system as much as anything he may not have had the power to do it.

Now is the time to stamp his mark and make the changes needed but it would have been very tough to do that last year. Especially with his ilness.

 

[AzaR]

:thiago: says hi

For a 21 year old in a midfield like ours he still got a lot of playing time.

 

[JamDav1982]

:thiago: says hi

Did he not play at all towards the end of the season do you think?

 

[FCBarca]

What are you blaming Rosell for though?

I don't know how it could be simpler to understand, honestly...Everything emanates from Rosell & this board, many of us were predicting this even ahead of his election...He was trying to undermine the club's success even during the best moments under Pep & Laporta - that is not someone who is interested in the club but himself & his ego...Ironic that he would claim it was Laporta's ego that made working for him untenable

Look at the exodus, look at the failings, look at the de-emphasis of the cantera, look at the changes to the image of the club and look at how he was clearly part of Pep's exit...Now you can tack on Victor Valdes, Thiago and who knows who else will follow

From the moment Rosell took office, it was his mission to discredit everything Laporta had done - before we read or heard much about his mandate or what he intended to do with the club, it was all about undermining everything that already was done...It's clear Rosell's 'success' would need to be predicated on wiping away everything Laporta, Cruyff & Pep put together...Something an astute culé would recognize was a big part of why the club dominated in this era the way they have...Today, even before Thiago's departure is made official and the cracks in the club's foundation really come to light, we are a shadow of the club under Pep & Laporta

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't know how it could be simpler to understand, honestly...Everything emanates from Rosell & this board, many of us were predicting this even ahead of his election...He was trying to undermine the club's success even during the best moments under Pep & Laporta - that is not someone who is interested in the club but himself & his ego...Ironic that he would claim it was Laporta's ego that made working for him untenable

Look at the exodus, look at the failings, look at the de-emphasis of the cantera, look at the changes to the image of the club and look at how he was clearly part of Pep's exit...Now you can tack on Victor Valdes, Thiago and who knows who else will follow

From the moment Rosell took office, it was his mission to discredit everything Laporta had done - before we read or heard much about his mandate or what he intended to do with the club, it was all about undermining everything that already was done...It's clear Rosell's 'success' would need to be predicated on wiping away everything Laporta, Cruyff & Pep put together...Something an astute culé would recognize was a big part of why the club dominated in this era the way they have...Today, even before Thiago's departure is made official and the cracks in the club's foundation really come to light, we are a shadow of the club under Pep & Laporta

OK that is opinion but what has he done to wipe away the work of Laporta, Cruyff and Pep?

Try backing it up with examples other than that it is just general opinion.

 

[mittchan82]

1st season as the manager of the first team, successful first half of the season, suddenly had to be off for cancer treatment, had to come back right after his treatment without proper resting period and go against teams like Milan, PSG, Munich in CL, had multiple players injured/ill yet Tito manages to win the league, play in the semis of the CL and obtain 100 points for us while doing so.

Y'all need to lay off Tito and trust in him before jumping on his case. He's staying as our manager for another season and it's not too late to judge him afterwards. Let the healthy Tito do his job and show us what he can do.

 

[DonAndres]

Of course he was going to revert to the tactics under Pep it made complete sense to do that and see where they stand.

Pep tried to change things in his last season and it didnt work, it made sense to go back to what worked previously even though the problems from before would still be there.

There is little chance he would come in, start dropping the big players and changing the system as much as anything he may not have had the power to do it.

Now is the time to stamp his mark and make the changes needed but it would have been very tough to do that last year. Especially with his ilness.

I'm not saying he had to change everything, but his management was very passive and he wasn't using the system rigorously. His influence and control over the team was disappointing and he just let them do what they were doing instead of pushing them to stay on top and taking charge to solve problems.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not saying he had to change everything, but his management was very passive and he wasn't using the system rigorously. His influence and control over the team was disappointing and he just let them do what they were doing instead of pushing them to stay on top and taking charge to solve problems.

In what the Bayern game?

In many games he helped change things with slight tactical changes.

 

[DonAndres]

In what the Bayern game?

In many games he helped change things with slight tactical changes.

Not just the Bayern game, but over the course of the entire season. The disappointing big games were examples of how he had problems that he didn't know how to solve due to lack of tactical adaptability.

The passive management was just visible with the team and even his attitude. Unlike Pep's training sessions, the ones under Tito showed a very relaxed and easygoing environment with the team mainly practicing our passing play and not much else. Even though I can't claim to have watched every single training session to know this, the results were visible as we almost completely dropped our pressing game and off the ball movement was often lacking. We suffered more injuries due to lack of fitness in many players, and Tito clearly did not push the team very hard or take complete charge.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not just the Bayern game, but over the course of the entire season. The disappointing big games were examples of how he had problems that he didn't know how to solve due to lack of tactical adaptability.

The passive management was just visible with the team and even his attitude. Unlike Pep's training sessions, the ones under Tito showed a very relaxed and easygoing environment with the team mainly practicing our passing play and not much else. Even though I can't claim to have watched every single training session to know this, the results were visible as we almost completely dropped our pressing game and off the ball movement was often lacking. We suffered more injuries due to lack of fitness in many players, and Tito clearly did not push the team very hard or take complete charge.

The reason Barca lost the league in Peps last season was down to passive performances in the big games. In the cup they were lucky not to get put out 4/5-1 by Madrid at Camp Nou and even against Chelsea Barcelona looked fairly clueless in 45mins against ten men.

If Pep could motivate these players better and change every game they would have had a better final season.

Depsite that there are plenty of games they came back in last season

Home to Atletico, home to PSG, home to Milan home to Madrid x2, away to Sevilla and countless others in the league.

A lot of these were down to tactical changes he made.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't know how it could be simpler to understand, honestly...Everything emanates from Rosell & this board, many of us were predicting this even ahead of his election...He was trying to undermine the club's success even during the best moments under Pep & Laporta - that is not someone who is interested in the club but himself & his ego...Ironic that he would claim it was Laporta's ego that made working for him untenable

Look at the exodus, look at the failings, look at the de-emphasis of the cantera, look at the changes to the image of the club and look at how he was clearly part of Pep's exit...Now you can tack on Victor Valdes, Thiago and who knows who else will follow

From the moment Rosell took office, it was his mission to discredit everything Laporta had done - before we read or heard much about his mandate or what he intended to do with the club, it was all about undermining everything that already was done...It's clear Rosell's 'success' would need to be predicated on wiping away everything Laporta, Cruyff & Pep put together...Something an astute culé would recognize was a big part of why the club dominated in this era the way they have...Today, even before Thiago's departure is made official and the cracks in the club's foundation really come to light, we are a shadow of the club under Pep & Laporta

OK so Rosell sought to destroy everything that the great Laporta had done at the club and did it all on the back of a personal agenda?

Right lets look at some facts.

Rosell left the club in 2005 after disagreeing with the way that Laporta was running the club. Not only did he do it another four members of the board did it. Clearly it was more than a personal issue between the two of them.

Laporta then went on to face a vote of no confidence. He got 60% voting against him but it was not enough and he stayed. which led to a further EIGHT members of the board leaving over Laportas behaviour.

Rosell started to campaign on the back of promising to change the Laporta regime and bring in his own ways and guess what he was elected by the members.

All along he was honest with what he was doing and what he would change. He did not hoodwink the members.

They knew exactly they were electing a President opposed to Laporta. They knew full well Cruyff would be removed etc.

 

[unknowngenius10]

All those criticizing Rosell have nothing against him. Just words.
They blame Rosell for having Tito as a coach ( but they were among the first ones to approve his signing as a coach and even forget that he just won the best league ever )
They talk about failings, but they don't tell you exactly what those "failures " are.
They blame Rosell for Victor Valde's departure, but have no proof that it was Rosell's fault. ( is it so hard to believe that Valdes wants to try a different football as Valdes himself has said it?)
They blame Rosell for Pep's exit but they forget that Pep didn't win anything (important)his last season and Mourinho had started to reach the gap between Madrid and Barca.(Pep didn't seem to have a problem with Rosell as long as he kept winning leagues and establishing records).
They blame Rosell for Thiagos departure when he has nothing to do with it. He's not Barca's coach and therefore he doesn't have to tell the coach what to do. ( and those who believe that Thiago would have stayed if his clause was higher are very naive).
They complain that we are not getting enough money for a player ( yet they complain when Rosells tries to improve Barca's marketing to make money. They really also believe that ticket sales is what pays for la liga's highest salaries).
They talk about how Rosell wanted to discredit Laporta ( but have not proof of this).
They talk about how we are a shadow of the team we used to be... but they don't tell you how? In which way was Laporta's reign much better before than today? they don't really tell you, they just tell you that that's the case and want you to take their word for it.

 

[Semi-Neutral]

( and those who believe that Thiago would have stayed if his clause was higher are very naive).

It's not that he'd stay, it's that we'd get 90 million if he went as opposed to the 20 we'll get now (provided he leaves)