Thierry Henry

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Adolfo Valencia
The worst part about Henry is he doesn't even look like he gives a fuck anymore.
Absolutely, i just have the same impression. And i dunno how that comes. Maybe its the Ireland-Handball incident ... but its not like he was shape before that match. It could also be a lack of motivation after winning pretty muhc the last, missing trophy (CL). Or its the constant, public hunt for a new LW thats demoralizing him. But currently hes just a shadow of his former self. And somehow it doesnt seem like he will ever shape up again ...
 

zeven

New member
Sorry to say this, but playing Henry is like playing with Nine men on the pitch, Pedro are proof of that! sad but true! after this game, Pedro had to be first choice
 

Culeee

New member
I am still hoping he regains his form with in mind that he never starts the season off very well (just like last year).. but im afraid he lost a bit of pace and for a player that relies on pace thats obviously crucial... But lets not get into the namecalling a bit more respect for the guy, afterall he was a big part of our treble winning season
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
He will surely move to US in the summer. Until then we can only hope he produces as he did in Xerez. Lousy match but he did score and that's enough in my book.
 

Cal-FCB

Wurzeltron
I don't blame him for being a shell of his former self, players who rely on pace always age poorly, but I blame him for wasting space and standing offside all game like he's on vacation or something. He lived up to his reputation last year, shut up the haters, and now he's the same apathetic lazy waste of space he was in his last season at Arsenal. I wish him luck collecting one last big pay check, but hopefully not here.

Very true Nolan, he's incredibly frustrating right now. It may be down to the handball incident affecting him, but I don't see that being the dominating factor. There's just a general can't be assed type attitude.
 

Necro Spaaw

NeSaVlaDiV
Very true Nolan, he's incredibly frustrating right now. It may be down to the handball incident affecting him, but I don't see that being the dominating factor. There's just a general can't be assed type attitude.

here's a post on a site i read regarding this that might tell you another perspective.
written by mr. Isaiah:

"What appears to be happening is that people are taking their personal whims out on Henry, disregarding his actual contributions on the field and replacing what he actually did with what they would like him to have done. If you’ve read this site or its previous iteration long enough, you’ll know that I’m not unbiased, that I often make opinionated comments about particular players and am sometimes overly zealous about running players out of town if I deem them surplus to my own strange requirements. And before this gets going, I want everyone to know that disagreement with my opinions here or belief that you are one of the people I’m talking about doesn’t equate me judging you or holding it against you because, to be honest, I’ve forgotten who the specific people making these points were.Okay, let’s take the match against Depor yesterday as a prime example of what I’m talking about. At halftime people were disparaging Henry for having had a terrible match, calling for Pedro!’s inclusion. That is a legitimate call to make if your view of Henry’s performance is negative, of course, but let’s talk about the actual performance. There were several times when I noted in the liveblog that Henry was wide open on the left and was completely ignored by his teammates, especially Xavi.

There were other times that were more frustrating for me as a watcher and a fan. One such moment was a fast break started by Henry, who passed to Messi and Messi began dribbling through players. Henry made a mostly vertical dash through the defense, taking a slight angle (diagonal) route towards goal. When Messi passed the ball, Henry was offside, having cut through the defense. Several commenters on the liveblog said Henry should have either held his run or taken a more diagonal approach. The problem, though, was not Henry’s run, which was timed perfectly to coincide with Messi beating a defender and thus opening his passing routes, but rather Messi’s unwillingness to pass the ball at the first opportunity, choosing instead to pass after he’d be the next defender. Because of that, Henry was offside, as he would have been had he taken a more diagonal route (which would also have had the consequence of putting him with his back to goal and farther from Messi).



Why was no one demanding Messi pass the ball earlier rather than Henry adjust his run? Because, of course, Messi is Messi. And don’t get me wrong, I get that Messi is Messi and Henry is not Messi, that the reason Messi is so wonderful (check his first goal), is because he’s unpredictable and brilliant, but my point is that Henry’s run was the correct run and that Messi made the mistake, not Henry. I don’t particularly mind that Messi made that mistake because he’ll do the extraordinary sometimes to make up for it, but it’s still a mistake and if you’re going to label part of the play a mistake, label the actual mistake a mistake rather than the part that isn’t attributable to your favorite/favored player.

Now let’s take the assertion that Pedro! is better than Henry. I don’t have a problem with that statement on its face, as it is totally possible. However, the idea that Pedro! is more effective than Henry at this very moment is, in my not-so-humble opinion, dead wrong. Pedro! was, at the very least, no more effective than Henry throughout his time on the field. I know that Pedro! provided the assist for our second goal (and Messi’s second), but does that make him more effective necessarily?

We’re talking about something that’s a bit hard to be totally precise about (it’s why there are coaches rather than spreadsheets), but roughly speaking, Henry made the right runs throughout the day and then Guardiola made a tactical substitution to switch the point of attack, moving Pedro! to the right where Henry is not known as an effective player. Pedro, on the other hand, appears to have more versatility in his positioning, perhaps stemming from his La Masia training or perhaps stemming from just simply being more versatile.

Watch our second goal (complete with “atomic worm” references from the commentators):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGTtMAiECHo&feature=player_embedded

Pedro! is on the right, playing a pass-and-move game with Dani Alves and Messi and slips in behind their back line to get a nice little chip to Messi, who buries a header. Wonderful offensive play, but look at where Iniesta is. Is he being worthless way over there on the left all by himself or is he being effective in his positioning? Thierry Henry made that same run time and again in the first half, coupling it with the same run Pedro! made through the short side of the box (by short side I mean the side with the ball) but instead of being pared with Dani Alves, Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi, he’s pared with Abidal, who is trailing 40 yards back in order to play defense.

Note: when Pedro! came on, Iniesta switched from a predominately middle-aligned role to a left, left-of-center aligned role, meaning he was effectively filling Henry’s spot. However, Henry was not receiving much support, and as I wrote before, wasn’t receiving any passes. There are obviously ways to interpret that, but if Guardiola interprets it as an inability to play with or at the level of Xavi, Iniesta, etc, then Henry should be sent packing and pronto. If he’s a place-holder for Pedro!, who is growing into the role, then awesome, but for now Henry is doing a very effective job and should be given the same leeway (or lack thereof, I suppose) as anyone else.

If you’re down with numbers: when Henry has played in a league match, we have won that match. When Henry has not played in a league match, we have drawn that match half the time (3 of 6)–though one of those wins was the 6-1 mauling of Zaragoza.

So, you should feel free to judge Henry however you’d like, but remember that there are other positions you can take to defend him that are just as logical and just as “unslanted” as any opinion condemning him. Feel free to make your cases in the comments."
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
That post was interesting... He only talks about a single play on one match, though... And Pedro, for any or other reason helped change the game, credit goes to Pep for making him play in the right and cause all the poster says it happened in the second goal, but in terms of raw effectiveness 1 assist is better than no assists, IMO, but I agree is kinda subjective, for example against Xeréz Henry scored and Messi didn't, Leo clearly had a better performance than Titi, but the french was more effective... Or not?

The point is that he is underachieving in contrast to last year, and that's what's bothering people (me included), maybe he's been tactically awesome, but he's not delivering end product, which is what's expected from him... What worries me most is his lack of interest in the game and how he drops like dead when a defender gets near, and that's something we can't really debate about because it's not related to football skills...
 

Co0ter

Senior Member
He does look a bit sluggish at times...but to me he's looked that way all 3 years at Barca?! He always slows down then pushes the ball past the defender then tries to cross it before the defender does....or he cuts in with right and passes....

To me, he did what he always did, wasn't that bad imo. If he improves slightly over the next 1-2 starts I'd still rather have him first choice to start. Pedro is always there as an affective sub.

After given the chance to improve more, if he doesn't...then bench him.
 

utility73

Senior Member
That post was interesting... ...

The most important point he made is that Henry gets absolutely no support from the rest of the team. He brings mostly Xavi as an example but Messi and Ibra ignore him even more.
Messi and Ibra play very well together but they completely ignore Henry.

I have no clue on the reasons for this and probably I don't even want to know.
But if this doesn't improve then we should replace Henry with some potent (left) winger who gets better acceptance by the rest of the team, so that we can get our left wing attack back.
 

christina

Pure Happiness
I can not believe how he has deteriorated so much! He came back in shape, looks like a player but still ...
Maybe this stage he should retire ...:sad:
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
The most important point he made is that Henry gets absolutely no support from the rest of the team. He brings mostly Xavi as an example but Messi and Ibra ignore him even more.
Messi and Ibra play very well together but they completely ignore Henry.

I'm going to pay more attention to that in upcoming games... I don't think it is as drastic as the rest of the team thinking he sucks so they won't pass the ball, but it is an interesting thought, I'll be watching closely!
 

Nirre_99

New member
Hmm, I haven't looked for it but sofar my picture is that he isn't involved much in gameplay in the center and mostly been in position to recieve a through ball and then deliver a pass (mostly backwwards) from near the lines. At least when both Ibra and Messi has been on the pitch with him.

I could be wrong though.
 

diegomessi

Anxiously waiting for the next match
ex Arsenal player Tony Adams will coach New York Redbulls so i think it is a given Henry will play for his old teammate after this season...
 

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