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Duke
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Do you think it was due only to tactics? Really?! I mean you didn't see all the screaming signs when we lost to madrid twice, Milan and PSG?! Our team was weak, tired, injured. This is how they beat us. In a good day with full fresh squad including healthy Messi and Puyol, I doubt they can repeat the win with or without Heynckes. damn you should be nicknamed PessimisticCule! All your posts been negative about anyone and everything! lol
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DonAndres
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Normally you can't translate the formula but with some adjustments the Bayern system could translate to the Madrid squad very well. Strong and tall players with energy and stamina (CR7, Alonso, Ramos, Varane) yet they also have a strong technical side of the game as well. It'll obviously be more counterattacking based but till a sound system nevertheless especially on Heynckes' defensive tactics where he compresses the formation into midfield, isolating our players and then stretching and widening it during attack. He has a refined and balanced tactical formula, not too bold yet not too complacent. It's good to fit into most teams with relative ease and minor changes, especially a Madrid squad that has a similar profile to Bayern. Obviously if he came they wouldn't whoop us 4-0 every time but we'd have much more difficulty against them compared to recent years and with our current weaknesses, it would be optimistic to expect too many wins.
Andrew M
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Couldn't find a better way to express my thoughts..100% word!
Indignado
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Not true, Real is not Bayern and Heynckes (even though he's a great manager) is not on the same level as Mou.
DonAndres
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It's more about objectivity than pessimism. The PSG game can easily be attributed to lack of fit players and bad conditions, that I agree with. The first Milan leg was just the team being completely lethargic and not having the best of days. The Madrid games can be attributed to tactical weaknesses in our squad though, and the Bayern one definitely can. Getting trumped 4-0, 3-0, 3-1, etc. can't simply be blamed on fatigue or injury, they outplayed us and that should definitely be admitted. Hell Puyol was there for our 3-1 loss to Madrid and all he added was getting raped by Di Maria. Messi was there in the first leg vs Bayern yet they neutralized our team so well that we could barely get the ball to him. It seems sad and negative to admit that Barca were outplayed but there is no point in making excuses and trying to be too falsely optimistic about it. Being a good fan isn't just blindly glorifying the club up to huge standards and saying we're the absolute best even though there are obvious signs of problems. I'm being objective with what I say that Barcelona have problems right now and that this is a transition period for us, we're not on top of the world. It's logical to fear that Heynckes coming to Madrid would signal a further end to our complete dominance in Clasico's (which wasn't even there this season) and it would really level the playing field.
Darko
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You just described the same tactics Mourinho has been using to beat us this year(and to an extent,last year)...
DonAndres
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While Mourinho is a highly merited manager he didn't completely fit with Madrid so we can't count his influence there a success; with all the players he had there he really underwhelmed. Heynckes probably would be able to fit in and a slightly adjusted version of his current system with Bayern could fit a Madrid side with a similar profile.
DonAndres
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It's actually similar to Mourinho's tactics in a sense but not completely. Madrid kept the play stretched completely throughout the entire game and their pressing was not as efficient, more about diving into tackles than closing down space (something that Barca can actually take advantage of). Heynckes is more developed and advanced in the sense that he can make his team work better as a unit and blend the squad together, not to mention better man management. Plus them compressing our buildup play in midfield really hinders our ability to get at goal.
MessiDinho10
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AFP (French news agency) reports that Valdés and Falcao are now in Monaco for talks. Tomorrow medical.
Elbflorenz
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Looks like Valdés really leaving this summer. We should agree on any fee, because Monaco is maybe the only club which is dumb enough to pay for VV.
If we get ter Stegen as #1 and Reina as new Pinto im happy.
MrXavi_The_Midfield_King
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You are right Heynckes is above him
JamDav1982
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He isnt.
Heynckes has had some terrible times at clubs and been a manager for 30 years and not won as much as Mourinho has in 10.
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