Virgil van Dijk
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Temptation
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Lemme guess? Because of more team trophies, right? So simple
People are so primitive in rating players.
People are so primitive in rating players.
Lemme guess? Because of more team trophies, right? So simple
People are so primitive in rating players.
VVD's only champions league win came after conceding shit tons of goals. Liverpools team press helps him massively in his defensive duties. He hasn't had even half the work to do that others have had to do, to achieve the same things, e.g. a UCL win.
Temptation
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An actually good shout finally. People who know ball know how good Thiago Silva is. Silva is right up there.
Otherwise, it's just naming overrated defenders like Pique and Ramos who had the privilege to play in super teams and scored some good goals.
An actually good shout finally. People who know ball know how good Thiago Silva is. Silva is right up there.
Otherwise, it's just naming overrated defenders like Pique and Ramos who had the privilege to play in super teams and scored some good goals.
You act as if VVD now is playing for Everton or something.
Temptation
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The supreme highline we play depends a lot on how good the CBs are in 1 on 1 duels against all kinds of attackers.
It also depends on how good Van Dijk is with the ball.
If you see the difference with and without VVD, it's huge. With him we compete for everything. Without him we're a top 4 team. Massively influential figure in a day and age where the game is dominated by attackers.
Yeah, Pique for example had the comfort of a low defensive block.
He's still a fantastic player, who I would welcome here in a heartbeat. Just not the best of modern football imo. Agree he's hugely influential and has the qualities you mentioned.
Temptation
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No, but we aren't as good as Prime Real or Barca. A lot of it is our coach making us look better than the sum of our parts. Whereas Real and Barca were stacked with matchwinners
KingLeo10
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Pique had an immense level in 14/15. He's a clown these days but here's his stats at his best:
ONLY 37 goals conceded in 60 games across LL (peak RM, AM, Sevilla), CL (PSG, City, Bayern, Juve), and CDR (peak AM).
His help was a declining Masche (great leader but he was getting on in age) and older Alves and Cryba lol.
ONLY 37 goals conceded in 60 games across LL (peak RM, AM, Sevilla), CL (PSG, City, Bayern, Juve), and CDR (peak AM).
His help was a declining Masche (great leader but he was getting on in age) and older Alves and Cryba lol.
That Liverpool side can compete against prime Barca and Real.
Take Ramos out of RM, they would lose to Ateltico twice in 2014 and 2016. Pique was injured and you see how Barca's defense collapsed last season.
So they all influence their team, in different ways.
CatalinR10
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Sorry but if an all time great deffended like a donkey at the only goal in a CL final , he would be shredded to pieces by the press.
From this era ,Thiago , Puyol, Ramos , Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry , would have put maybe Pique but he's been too much of a clown in recent years. Then add another 15 defenders of all time in front and there you have it.
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