Vitor Roque (loaned to Real Betis)

[serghei]

Whilst Roque may or may not become a top player, this whole situation will only further damage the pretty poor reputation present day Barcelona has. The club has become a conveyor belt for signings in the last decade.

Yes, but it's provoked by the financial part. Another undesirable ramification of that fact.

If we were some rich EPL team, we'd just keep Roque, sign some other players on top of him and that's it. If players could be signed and registered without issues, Roque would not be a case at all.

I think everyone knows by now about our struggles in these areas. Can't be surprising that the club has to make controversial decisions while maneuvering in this terrain.

 

[Messi983]

The only horrible treatment was to buy him in the first place. He obviously isn't good enough even to be a backup, as 2 different coaches already saw him in training and decided not to count on him.

Lol, if you really believe Flick could make a decision about keeping Vitor or not.

 

[Porque]

Yes, but it's provoked by the financial part. Another undesirable ramification of that fact.

If we were some rich EPL team, we'd just keep Roque, sign some other players on top of him and that's it. If players could be signed and registered without issues, Roque would not be a case at all.

I think everyone knows by now about our struggles in these areas. Can't be surprising that the club has to make controversial decisions while maneuvering in this terrain.

Then we have to go for the lower priced tier of Brazilian talents.

Can't be having 30m+ transfer bipolorisms.

 

[Loki]

Lol, if you really believe Flick could make a decision about keeping Vitor or not.

If Flick would have said he needs the player for the season, you really think Laporta/Deco would have said no? Flick has obviously not the same ear of the board as Xavi had, but certainly not that little that the board will sell players against his will.

 

[Messi983]

Flick would never say he needs him if Laporta has decided he has to leave, that's the problem. He's spineless and will do what the big boss says.

 

[Loki]

Flick would never say he needs him if Laporta has decided he has to leave, that's the problem. He's spineless and will do what the big boss says.

Then you clearly don't know Flick enough if you think he's spineless. He started an arrogant fight in Bayern when things didn't go his way, screamed at their former sports director Salihamidic to "shut the fuck up" before the entire squad. A spineless coach would never have behaved this way. Flick can stand his ground if he wants to. He's from the old school, not some social media formed clown like many newer coaches.

 

[serghei]

Then you clearly don't know Flick enough if you think he's spineless. He started an arrogant fight in Bayern when things didn't go his way, screamed at their former sports director Salihamidic to "shut the fuck up" before the entire squad. A spineless coach would never have behaved this way. Flick can stand his ground if he wants to. He's from the old school, not some social media formed clown like many newer coaches.

Good to hear. We need someone with a serious sack.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Treatment of Gundogan and Roque is shambolic.

 

[serghei]

Then we have to go for the lower priced tier of Brazilian talents.

Can't be having 30m+ transfer bipolorisms.

The club went for Roque because they believed he is better than they found out once he came here and actually saw him at work with the team. They couldn't have known in advance and had to rely on some unreliable factors that have considerable risks attached. That happens frequently.

I still believe that the bad steps of this board are entirely understandable given the cards they've been dealt with.

Shouldn't last long from this point. Once the Camp Nou is open and all the bad deals from the past are cleared from our books, they will get to play with serious funds like the clubs we compete against.

Then the judgment will be more harsh and mistakes will be harder to look past.

 

[JamDav1982]

The harsh part of Roque is that because of the finances his chances come to and end after a few months.

The situation they are in they cannot register him and loaning him out is a cost on books they cant afford.

Had they not been in this situation he would not be getting sold.

 

[Messi983]

Then you clearly don't know Flick enough if you think he's spineless. He started an arrogant fight in Bayern when things didn't go his way, screamed at their former sports director Salihamidic to "shut the fuck up" before the entire squad. A spineless coach would never have behaved this way. Flick can stand his ground if he wants to. He's from the old school, not some social media formed clown like many newer coaches.

But Flick won a treble at Bayern when that happened, no? So he had much bigger power there.

He's starting from a zero here. Laporta will give him free hands with which La Masia kids he wants to use for example but he won't have much say in transfers. I think he had to accept those conditions before he was hired because Laporta knew he gave Xavi too much power too soon.

I think selling Vitor is not a new coach rejecting him for sporting reasons but mostly financially motivated move made by Laporta to cover for his other (much bigger) mistakes over the past few years. Laporta should have handled whole situation better but he made three of club's biggest legends dirty over last few years so no surprise he doesn't care about a no name Brazilian kid either.

 

[jamrock]

I'm a laporta fan, but two coaches have seen roque now and thought he wasn't good enough, surely that can't be on laporta.

Does any really believe of roque was showing great potential in training Xavi wouldn't use him? Xavi who benches alba for balde and sent de jong to go sort out his game, for gavi?.

Who gave fermin a look when no one else would.

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Yamal

Would flick seeing a young talented striker who can press from the front, say Nope, anything you say boss, I won't use him, lewa it is.

The only rational argument I've heard is, clearly roque isn't good enough now, question is does he have potential to be good enough in the future and if so should we keep him under our control.

But their is no way he's showing he can add something to the team short term and two separate coaches have ignored him and that to the fact we need some money now, and he's out odd man out.

It's fucked up for him I agree, if I were him I would be pissed and talk nothing but shit about Barcelona.

But in all likelihood he's just not good enough.

 

[JamDav1982]

What he is good enough for is a whole different conversation for the club when they need to register him.

Any other time if unsure he would be getting loaned out or even kept as an option. but they are struggling to register players and cant have him on the books when adding nothing when could use that elsewhere.

I doubt Flick even has all that much of a say in it either way bar if he said Roque absolutely has to stay now as big part of plans.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Laporta on Twitter .......

" The Vitor Roque situation depresses us greatly. It is clear, to me, that Vitor is like a Big Mac. You see the picture of the Big Mac and think you will get a burger with prime beef and fresh crisp lettuce. But when you actually receive the Big Mac, the lettuce is old and wet and the beef looks, and smells, similar to an old lady's front bottom.

However, I need to congratulate the Sporting Department for the fact that Endrick is just as shit as Vitor, but Vitor cost half the price of the Madrid player. So you see that the Sporting Department did a great job there and in some respects, Vitor has been an excellent signing for the club. "

 

[Messi983]

from don Fab

Real Betis management just arrived in Barcelona to negotiate for Vitor Roque on loan.

Barça have formal permanent bid from Sporting and now loan option from Betis.