Wayne Rooney

[blueduck]

That is no where near close to what you were saying. Stop lying.

 

[Hamzah]

i don't have time for this shit. he would be ALOT better in the centre then out wide. he coudln't come to barca because a) he won't and b) if he played wide he would not be as effective, if he played in the centre then ibrahimovic wouldn't fit.

 

[blueduck]

No need to get upset about it. I was only pointing out you were backtracking, again.

 

[zanela]

valencia's not playing for other big teams, he's playing for united, so what does it matter if he wouldn't fit in anywhere else? I'm a bit confused about your point there. messi wouldn't excel for chelsea, but so what?

Why wouldn't he? You're making him look like another valencia just to prove ur point.

 

[silky_soccer]

Why wouldn't he? You're making him look like another valencia just to prove ur point.

He wouldnt fit in there system aswell as barcas as they dont play out and out wingers in there diamond midfield, but hhe would still be an exceptional player, just not as good as he is at the Camp Nou...

 

[zanela]

He wouldnt fit in there system aswell as barcas as they dont play out and out wingers in there diamond midfield, but hhe would still be an exceptional player, just not as good as he is at the Camp Nou...

Neither do we.

 

[silky_soccer]

Neither do we.

there are always 2 wingers in our team... we have altered them to score more goals, but thhey are still wingers...

 

[Metaphysical]

Why wouldn't he? You're making him look like another valencia just to prove ur point.

do you watch chelsea? I really shouldn't have to explain that.

yes, the true world greats (valencia is not one of these) will stand-out wherever because of their talent. but for a player to excel they need to be in systems that bring the best out of their abilities. just watch messi for argentina. even before maradona he never reached the heights of his barcelona form.

 

[Aasim]

Our LW is different to ManYoo's LW.

Our LW are more mobile and instead of having a position, have an area. Rooney would be a beast at LW IMO. Plus his creativity would take off a bit of pressure from Ibra and Messi.

 

[beef-supreme]

sorry, I took you literally when you said "signings" - owen's not a great player anymore and is very injury prone, but he cost them nothing and is on a pay-as-you-play deal.

he's already scored some important goals for them, and considering he was free, that seems like a good signing to me.



this argument is full of holes and hypotheticals.

valencia's not playing for other big teams, he's playing for united, so what does it matter if he wouldn't fit in anywhere else? I'm a bit confused about your point there. messi wouldn't excel for chelsea, but so what?

and no, he was never going to fill the ronaldo void. but he wasn't signed to do that. united switched formations. it's 442 now, with the goals coming primarily from the forwards, with the wingers creating pressure and chances, and chipping in with a few goals; which is exactly what valencia's doing.

if rooney left, they would sign a striker to replace him. so while they may drop a bit (as rooney is really flipping good) there's nothing to say they'd struggle to qualify for europe. I mean, if they just sold rooney and didn't replace him then obviously they'd suck, but would they really be that stupid?



1 of those PL goals won the manchester derby.

3 of those CL goals won them the wolfsburg game, which put them top.

1 of those CC goals drew them level in the final.

like I said to ducky a few months back, tevez is world's better as a player but owen cost nothing and costs relatively nothing in wages and so his contributions have made him a decent signing.

we only paid 5m for maxwell and while he's not a stellar player he's pushed abidal to play at a better level and has been solid enough when called upon himself. is maxwell a great player? no. is a great signing? yes.

you get me?

Hmm okay i get what you mean, there is a massive distinction between a good signing and a good player.
In that case both Valencia and Owen were good signigns - I'd still debate Owen since he hasn't added much - as they were bought at bargain prices when you contrast it with the Cristiano income they received.
But it doesn't change the fact that United are largely Rooney-dependent, I'd like to see how they'd do without Rooney for a few weeks. I wouldn't be too optimistic. The team is much less a collection of big players and stars moulded into a cohesive unit as it has been in the past, because now it's either made of ageing stars, a la Milan - Ferdinand, Neville, Giggs, Scholes, VdS - mis-predictions - Nani, Anderson, Foster - and the squaddies who'd be squaddies in any other team too - Park, Wes Brown, O'Shea, Evans. You can add to that the overpriced Berba and the potentially declining Vidic, and to me it doesn't look good at all. It's as if Ferguson wants to take the team into retirement with him. You can argue a case for Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Evra... but more than anything what i see is complete Rooney-dependence. When Ferguson leaves, which can't be too far away now, and Rooney is still with them, whoever is the new manager will have a lot of hard work on his hands because this team is not a Chelsea or an Arsenal or a Barca or a Madrid. I even see more 'something extra' in Milan tbh.
I think the two things - that United are worse than they were last season, and the Rooney-dependence - are tied in with each other and coupled with the debt the club is facing do not suggest good times ahead. For me, United will always be one of the biggest clubs and I think that their achievements on the pitch and off it will allow them to stay so. But I also think that a cycle is nearing its end and ManU might well go for a couple or so years without winning a single thing, as the new manager comes in and the transition to a new cycle begins.

 

[silky_soccer]

Hmm okay i get what you mean, there is a massive distinction between a good signing and a good player.
In that case both Valencia and Owen were good signigns - I'd still debate Owen since he hasn't added much - as they were bought at bargain prices when you contrast it with the Cristiano income they received.
But it doesn't change the fact that United are largely Rooney-dependent, I'd like to see how they'd do without Rooney for a few weeks. I wouldn't be too optimistic. The team is much less a collection of big players and stars moulded into a cohesive unit as it has been in the past, because now it's either made of ageing stars, a la Milan - Ferdinand, Neville, Giggs, Scholes, VdS - mis-predictions - Nani, Anderson, Foster - and the squaddies who'd be squaddies in any other team too - Park, Wes Brown, O'Shea, Evans. You can add to that the overpriced Berba and the potentially declining Vidic, and to me it doesn't look good at all. It's as if Ferguson wants to take the team into retirement with him. You can argue a case for Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Evra... but more than anything what i see is complete Rooney-dependence. When Ferguson leaves, which can't be too far away now, and Rooney is still with them, whoever is the new manager will have a lot of hard work on his hands because this team is not a Chelsea or an Arsenal or a Barca or a Madrid. I even see more 'something extra' in Milan tbh.
I think the two things - that United are worse than they were last season, and the Rooney-dependence - are tied in with each other and coupled with the debt the club is facing do not suggest good times ahead. For me, United will always be one of the biggest clubs and I think that their achievements on the pitch and off it will allow them to stay so. But I also think that a cycle is nearing its end and ManU might well go for a couple or so years without winning a single thing, as the new manager comes in and the transition to a new cycle begins.

The difference between milan and United is that united do have alot of potential coming through, Nani, Anderson, Raphael, Fabio, Wellbeck, Macheda, Gibson, Obertan and Diouf all have the potential to be great players, can you see that at Milan? i cant, Not saying all of these players will be great, but they certainly could be, So i dont think they are an ageing side, they ave ageing players, but then what top team doesnt? you need experience in your team to help te youngsters, Who better than Giggs, Scholes, Neville etc...who have achieved it all.

 

[Metaphysical]

as an attacking team I think united are better than they were last season, tbh.

overall they've not been as good because of their defensive injuries. but it's unlikely that will reoccur - plus with an extra year's experience the understudies (like evans) will be better.

 

[silky_soccer]

as an attacking team I think united are better than they were last season, tbh.

overall they've not been as good because of their defensive injuries. but it's unlikely that will reoccur - plus with an extra year's experience the understudies (like evans) will be better.

Indeed, Ive watched them alot, When CR9 was there, it was all about him, where as now they are more of a team...Evans will be a top defender..

 

[beef-supreme]

The difference between milan and United is that united do have alot of potential coming through, Nani, Anderson, Raphael, Fabio, Wellbeck, Macheda, Gibson, Obertan and Diouf all have the potential to be great players, can you see that at Milan? i cant, Not saying all of these players will be great, but they certainly could be, So i dont think they are an ageing side, they ave ageing players, but then what top team doesnt? you need experience in your team to help te youngsters, Who better than Giggs, Scholes, Neville etc...who have achieved it all.

But that's the thing, Nani and Anderson have both failed to live up to their potential! I wouldn't be surprised if United sold them on soon. Then there's Macheda who had the huge hype but has disappeared off the radar just as i predicted him too. Rafael and Fabio - them being twins I just don't see both of them succeeding, especially since one of them is so far ahead of the other. I don't think lighting will strike twice in the same spot. Stupid reason, i suppose. There is hope yet for Wellbeck who I am sure will become a top player, and Obertan is a bit like their pedro.
As for Milan, the difference is that at Milan you already have players who are past the hype and right in the action. Who are young but still developing. Pato and Thiago Silva are both in solid positions that the Manchester United hopes are very far from attaining. Then they have Astori who already has plenty of Serie A experience and is a solid CB, and of course Paloschi who also has Serie A experience. Just as United do, Milan have a base of youth players but most of these are playing out on loan.

 

[beef-supreme]

Indeed, Ive watched them alot, When CR9 was there, it was all about him, where as now they are more of a team...Evans will be a top defender..

No, now it's all about Rooney.