World Cup 2022

[Rory]

Woah birdy who doesn’t rate Messi and thinks they’d be better without him doesn’t think it was a penalty. Thank god we’ve got that scoop

 

[serghei]

Let's make it very simple:

He rushed out to block the ball at T1

He missed the ball at T2, when the was stationary and not moving forward towards Alvarez any more

Alvarez continued his movement, and made contact with him at T3

That should never be a pen
It's important not only whether there is contact, but who initiates the contact, who moves towards the other

He rushed out to block the ball at T1. So he is not a rock, and is engaging in a duel for the ball.

Alvarez can't avoid him at T2 after the keeper makes contact with him. And he can continue the action if not for the keeper's move. So he is tripped by the keeper.

It's not like Alvarez runs into him, the contact is made almost immediately after the striker hits the ball.

This is always a pen. You have a case if there's like some amount of time between T1 and T2. But it isn't. It's the same play basically.

 

[JohnN]

For Birdy, for Argentina to be worth, they should play and beat every single team in a knockout tournament, or it's an easy path. These standards of course don't apply for any other team. I wonder why? Could it be the anti-Messi bias, the deep desire that they would be better without him? (every single knowledgeable person knows this to be wrong)

 

[KingLeo10]

Messi has scored or assisted 9 of Argentina's 13 goals so far.

Maradona in 86 had 10 goals or assists of Argentina's 14 goals.

Except Maradona was in his prime and this is 35 year old Messi.

He's been a lion this tournament. Mad respect.

 

[Rory]

Its like the most naive view of football ever. Worse than a child’s view of football. Wah wah the team that has more possession and shots should always win.

If that’s all football is to you then go to a different sport.

 

[JamDav1982]

Its like the most naive view of football ever. Worse than a child?s view of football. Wah wah the team that has more possession and shots should always win.

If that?s all football is to you then go to a different sport.

Its not even just that it is the way Birdy fails to understand stats as ever and twists them to suit his narrative.

When Brazil have an xG that shows that they 'should' have beat Croatia he claims it mean Croatia are shite and lucky as that is narrative he want when they are to face Argentinan next.

But when Germany have a better xG against Japan and fail to win.. that is all about Germany the 'top' team losing to a very well drillled Japan team who anyone will struggle with and shows them to be better than likes oif Netherlands and Croatia.

Dense stuff.

 

[Kul_z]

That was not a penalty. What was livakovic supposed to? Move from the goal so that alvarez can shoot however he wants? That handball later was a clear penalty, gvardiol moved hand intentionaly. Still, no matter what happened argies were out for blood, quick, relentless, they believe they can actually win this tournament. Messi should be carved on gold in every football stadium there is if they manage to win with players from brighton and aston villa. Congrats argies, go win that thing.

 

[Asylum15]

i haven't drank lately(only after netherlands equalized) but i better prepare myself some liquour to keep myself numb.

we did it bro!

 

[JamDav1982]

That was not a penalty. What was livakovic supposed to? Move from the goal so that alvarez can shoot however he wants? That handball later was a clear penalty, gvardiol moved hand intentionaly. Still, no matter what happened argies were out for blood, quick, relentless, they believe they can actually win this tournament. Messi should be carved on gold in every football stadium there is if they manage to win with players from brighton and aston villa. Congrats argies, go win that thing.

No one is saying GK has to move or could have even avoided it other than not coming out.

 

[BBZ8800]

For guys who say it was a clear pen, fucking lol.
Try to go outside UefaReal Madrid and Uefalona and try to play football against big teams as a small team/small country.

Everything is so fucking rigged when it gets to key matches.
I am looking at same story for 30 years.

I posted a few days ago, it happened again.
Please check this comedy which is ALWAYS happening in favor of big teams/rich teams/teams with GOAT players who's shirts will buy billions of people in Usa and Asia.
WC 2014: Brazil (hosts) - Croatia
What a shock, nobody could have expected that, lots of 50:50 or questionable decisions in Brazil's favor:

World cup final 2018: France-Croatia
1) you could argue that even a foul for 1:0 free kick for France was a soft touch and there are 100s of similar contacts during matches which are not fouls. But in a WC final at 0:0, you need to give every touch around the box to ref-favored team, French in this case.
I mean, just look at a video above where Brazilian player killed Rakitic, but nothing happened, lol.
2) at 1:1, a pen (what a shock! Who would have expected something like that to happen, lol?)
Again, a 50:50 pen. Perisic played with a hand, but he was jumping, didn't see the ball and a French player missed a header and a ball kicked his hand.
Ok, he played with hand. But a question: if similar happened to Australia/Croatia/Poland against France in WC semis or a final, do you think that a ref would give a pen to Poland/Croatia at 1:1 for this?
Lol, I am not sure:

After that Croatia was shit, but that is not the point. It is easy to kill the semis or a final with one decision.
The opponent is already more than strong and experienced.

2022: Messi played vs Croatia. I literally say Messi because that's the only important thing to FIFA. They will milk billions if Messi reaches a final and wins it from sponsors, future Hollywood movies, billions of shirts sold in Usa, India, Bangladesh, Japan.
On the other hand, who would watch a movie about Kramaric or bought his shirt? No one. Including me. So no money for FIFA and football industry.
Btw, the ref was 20-30 meters behind Livakovic and Alvarez (apparently the ref was injured for the last 3 weeks), he has barely seen what has happened, but he pointed to the spot RIGHT AWAY, didn't even consult his team and didn't even check the VAR to see what happened.
Apparenly, he has seen everything from 30 meters away and he was perfectly sure what happened, and there was no need for even checking the situation on VAR.
Nothing suspicious here

I'll literally give 1000 Euros to anyone who finds similar decisions against big clubs/NT teams in semis or finals.
Weird, isn't it? Decisions against big teams never happen in final matches.
It is either a fair match or pushed for the favorites.
Insane coincidence. Shit ton of money is involved and some shady things are happening.

 

[JamDav1982]

It was a clear pen.

These theories dont change a thing.

FIFA have only just realised Messi winning WC means they will make money! Yay. Should have realised ealier to give him pens when needed really!

FIFA baaad.. they didnt realise Ronaldo is most marketable player in world to give him a leg up.

Coping mechanism nothing else.

FIFA want Messi to win so much they think he needs a pen ten mins in v SA to do it....

FIFA want Messi to win the fuck up a VAR decision v SA to disallow a Argies goal.

FIFA want Messi to win so much they add ten mins v Netherlands when chasing a goal.... had Argies been chasing a goal and ten mins added this would have been 'evidence' also.

 

[Asylum15]

I'd absolutely HATE if that penalty was given against me but letter of the law, it was a penalty.

 

[Birdy]

Alvarez plays ball around him, keeper missed. Keeper intentionally or onintentially moves right/or sticks out leg to obstruct Alvarez. His leg catches him.

The moment Alvarez makes contact Livakovic' leg is on the ground. He is still.
I understand that it might have been too late for Alvarez to try change his direction and go round him, but that should not be a problem for a keeper that is still when the attacker makes contact with him

He rushed out to block the ball at T1. So he is not a rock, and is engaging in a duel for the ball.

Alvarez can't avoid him at T2 after the keeper makes contact with him. And he can continue the action if not for the keeper's move. So he is tripped by the keeper.

It's not like Alvarez runs into him, the contact is made almost immediately after the striker hits the ball.

This is always a pen. You have a case if there's like some amount of time between T1 and T2. But it isn't. It's the same play basically.

Theoretically Alvarez can avoid him at T3
Might be practically difficult, but when the keeper is almost still, and the contact is initiated by the attacker, this shouldn't be keeper's problem
Amount of time between T1 and T2 shouldn't be a criterion

Alvarez runs into him at T3, he makes the contact, not the other way round

 

[JamDav1982]

It makes no difference if his leg is on ground.

Players can trip/foul players while legs are planted and stationary.

Which is why referees reveiwing incidnent said was clear.

If a player moves to win the ball... misses it and brings down player that wins ball it is a foul/pen.

 

[Birdy]

It makes no difference if his leg is on ground.

Players can trip/foul players while legs are planted and stationary.

Which is why referees reveiwing incidnent said was clear.

Look up a definition of the word 'trip' in a dictionary