Daniel Alves
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Vilarrubi
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Can't believe we'd let him go for free too.. But that isn't the main point here.. I'd have liked him to have a Xavi type season in his last and not play all of the games while we ease in a new starting RB but I suppose that's for the benefit of Barca and not Alves. Will miss him so much if he goes!
Messi983
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Alves could leave last season if he didn't like Bartomeu and he'd f.... him up way more than if he leaves now. We'd have to play at least half of the season with Adriano/Douglas/Roberto at RB until Vidal has become eligible to play in January. He decided to stay despite having better offers from PSG and other clubs (in his own words). So I don't think that's why he'll go.
He's been in Spain for 14 years or almost all professional career. I think he wants to see different culture and live in other country. In no way I'm blaming his girlfriend but maybe she's one of the reasons. Based on the pictures he posted on social media they have often visit Italy on his off-days or vacations. Maybe she likes Italy or more likely they both like the country. Italy is also a fashion country and we know he likes fashion. He'll be close to Milan (one of the fashion capitals of the world) but playing for a much better team than both Milan clubs are right now.
And he has won everything he could here so he may feel that he needs new team to keep his motivation going for the next 2 or 3 seasons (he's probably already looking forward to 2018 World Cup after the disappointment Brazil had at their own WC two years ago). Those are most understandable reasons (besides money, which I don't think it's as big factor here) why players like Alves move in this phase of their careers. It doesn't always have to be negative connections with his current club's board if there are no clear indications about that.
George_Costanza
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most good young players are too expansive. Laporte 50m, Marquinhos 50m, Gimenez 50m, Pogba 90m, Dybala 90m etc. Those players can be starters for us for many yours but if you bring any other players then they won't get much minutes to play if you have players like Alves, Masch, Suarez, Neymar etc.
Also most top clubs don't have this 5 years plan you are talking about. United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal are all mess. Real have many ageing players like Ronaldo, Pepe, Ramos, Modric and the young ones will soon leave like James and Isco. The only club with proper long term plan is Bayern.
khaled_a_d
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Even Bayern may not really be able to retain their current status .when Robben & Ribery are done they will really need the other younger guys to step up big time and there is no guarantee that it will happen.
God Serena
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Soo....
Bellerin? Is he starting to look a bit more attractive now?
Bellerin? Is he starting to look a bit more attractive now?
MessiDinho10
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Look at the players Bayern München signed and sold in the last four/five seasons. Won't count Renato Sanches and Hummels since they aren't proven at Bayern yet. They signed Coman, Costa, Kimmich, Vidal, Lewandowski, Götze, Benatia, Bernat, Alonso, Rode, Thiago, Shaqiri (sold again), Martinez, Mandzukic (sold again), Dante (sold again), Rafinha, Neuer, Boateng and incorporated Kroos (sold now) and Alaba into the first XI. They signed 12(!) players for the first team(actually more, since I didn't include players like Kurt or Weiser) younger than age 24 in roughly five seasons.
This shows that Bayern are very active on the transfer market. It also shows that Bayern buy mostly young, quality players with great potential (Shaqiri, Thiago, Bernat, Kimmich, Götze, Coman, Costa, Javi Martinez and Neuer. They only buy older players if they're world class (Vidal, Lewandowski, Alonso (not world class, still great and I would say a good addition)) or very cheap (or both), sometimes both. Of course there are a couple of players that didn't succeed, but there are not a lot of those (Dante was good in his first season, Shaqiri decent back-up, Götze was okay and Rode is a decent player considering his role).
Another thing is, if it doesn't work out they can still cash in on those players. English clubs are willing to pay a lot for Götze and Mandzukic, Shaqiri, Kroos and Dante were all sold with profit.
What this shows is Bayern plan ahead. They buy players for the next 4-8 years, not the next 1-4. I would say this more than matches Barcelona, even in the last three seasons.
If you want another example, look at Dortmund (Mkhitaryan, Gundogan, Ginther, Aubameyang, Reus, Weigl, Kagawa, Bürki, Sokratis and now they have secured Dembele and Merino). They have a solid sporting project as well.
There are not a lot of clubs with a solid long term project, but if you want to stay on top of the game this is a necessity. At the moment, Barça don't have one and it clearly shows. Just look at how we all panic here on Barcaforum when an important player leaves. Yet when Bayern sells Kroos or Dante (who was an important defender for them at the time, despite his awful last season) they have a new player lined up to take their place that often even improves the team. I know it's almost impossible to replace someone like Alves and improve, but at least show that you have a plan so that the team can compete at the same level without him.
MessiDinho10
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I know they don't, that's why none of the English clubs can stay at the top continuously. It's actually worse there, although they don't have problems with money which makes it a lot easier to make a start.
Madrid will always find a way, we all know that. It might not be the most effective method, but they will.
I'd say Atletico and Sevilla are doing very well in terms of projects as well now. Most of the players they sign are young and brought in with a clear idea of what they expect from them. It's up to Atletico to continue this trend when Simeone leaves, Sevilla has done it for over a decade.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Dortmund are not at the top now and dont have same pressure to compete for league/CL each season.
A lot of the players you name at Bayern are not young players and a lot have not came in and had immediate positive impact.
That was the criteria you used - young and immediate or lasting impact but you list a whole heap of players who dont fit that criteria. The likes of Lewandowski, Vidal etc were not young players when signed. Neither was Benatia and others.
Mandzukic was bought by Bayern four years ago yet it seems to be a stretch to consider Barca players three years ago.
Barca have replaced players anyway. The likes of Valdes, Puyol, Abidal, Xavi, Villa have all gone from one great side and another won a treble a few years later with a lot of new players.
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Total-Football
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i dont want another Vidal type of prospect .. either Bellerin or just go Vidal-Roberto next season .. enough with the random signing from la liga . This is the time for the transition , the idea of saving his salary is good, we are not Juventus , the deal works for them because we are not the same caliber and we have different objectives.
The best way for alves to go is this .. winning a double while being a starter , crazy 8 years and great consitensy, a legendary defender who gave eveything to us.. the best i v seen in my lifetime , i have seen Cafu too but i wont say alves is behind , at least they are equal to me
The best way for alves to go is this .. winning a double while being a starter , crazy 8 years and great consitensy, a legendary defender who gave eveything to us.. the best i v seen in my lifetime , i have seen Cafu too but i wont say alves is behind , at least they are equal to me
evilhita666
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There are so many wrongs about him leaving, both from the club and from the player...
First, we keep giving away our players for free which is the most stupid business decision ever; second, everything is announced before we have a replacement so if we want to sign some we are going to pay gold; and third but no less important, why in the flying fuck do our players want to leave so badly?!
Regarding Alves himself, he served the club well, he had his ups and downs but overall his stay here is very remarkable, however I didn't like his whining and drama to get a pay rise, which he could have handled better... And to be honest, using that clause in his contract to leave, knowing the consequences it would bring, leaves me a little disappointed...
First, we keep giving away our players for free which is the most stupid business decision ever; second, everything is announced before we have a replacement so if we want to sign some we are going to pay gold; and third but no less important, why in the flying fuck do our players want to leave so badly?!
Regarding Alves himself, he served the club well, he had his ups and downs but overall his stay here is very remarkable, however I didn't like his whining and drama to get a pay rise, which he could have handled better... And to be honest, using that clause in his contract to leave, knowing the consequences it would bring, leaves me a little disappointed...
barcafan161
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just a shame he didn't announce this before the season so the club could give him the right send off
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