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Givenchy

Givenchy

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Jenks said:
The pace of Gordon in behind helps, but you still have the problem is a LB with no left foot.
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Again down to the idiocy of the manager only bringing an injured Luke Shaw. Wasting Saka at LB is ridiculous to fit in a Foden who doesn't perform with England.
 
Maradona37

Maradona37

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We keep hearing about how 'great' these players are and how Southgate is holding them back.
But are they as good as claimed? They have to take some responsibility for their own generally pitiful performances; it's not all on the coach, just partly.

Their players are clearly generally good, but...

I will give you one example: according to people who follow the PL (and I follow it too), Declan Rice is a world-class player who's been superb for Arsenal this season. Yet I have watched him a lot dating back to his West Ham days, and he seems a slightly above average player. Good positioning generally, but exceptionally limited on the ball. I also don't believe he has been as good for Arsenal as claimed (and I successfully predicted Bayern to eliminate them and Man City to beat them to the title), and he's not even one third of the player Rodri is. There must be far less heralded defensive midfielders in Europe who could do better than Rice, but aren't English and don't have the league's hype behind them.

I can go right through their squad and say the same about some others. They do have some talented players, but this 'by a mile the best squad in the tournament' is absolute bollocks for me - as it was when gimps like Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard were getting that sort of treatment and smoke blown up their arse, only to fail time and again.

More to the point - as I said in the other thread - you don't win anything for being a bunch of hyped up names thrown together with zero cohesion.
 
Jenks

Jenks

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Maradona37 said:
We keep hearing about how 'great' these players are and how Southgate is holding them back.
But are they as good as claimed? They have to take some responsibility for their own generally pitiful performances; it's not all on the coach, just partly.

Their players are clearly generally good, but...

I will give you one example: according to people who follow the PL (and I follow it too), Declan Rice is a world-class player who's been superb for Arsenal this season. Yet I have watched him a lot dating back to his West Ham days, and he seems a slightly above average player. Good positioning generally, but exceptionally limited on the ball. I also don't believe he has been as good for Arsenal as claimed (and I successfully predicted Bayern to eliminate them and Man City to beat them to the title), and he's not even one third of the player Rodri is. There must be far less heralded defensive midfielders in Europe who could do better than Rice, but aren't English and don't have the league's hype behind them.

I can go right through their squad and say the same about some others. They do have some talented players, but this 'by a mile the best squad in the tournament' is absolute bollocks for me - as it was when gimps like Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard were getting that sort of treatment and smoke blown up their arse, only to fail time and again.

More to the point - as I said in the other thread - you don't win anything for being a bunch of hyped up names thrown together with zero cohesion.
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Rice isn't really a defensive midfielder, he's an #8 that gets played at #6 because he has a great engine, athleticism and some good defensive instincts. He's more of a luxury version of Henderson than a second rate Rodri.
 
Maradona37

Maradona37

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Jenks said:
Rice isn't really a defensive midfielder, he's an #8 that gets played at #6 because he has a great engine, athleticism and some good defensive instincts. He's more of a luxury version of Henderson than a second rate Rodri.
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True I guess. He played more like that for Arsenal I guess.

Maybe I am being harsh, he has just never convinced me much. I acknowledge he's better out of possession and athletically than on the ball, though.
 
Messi983

Messi983

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What's this "you did us proud" BS? :ROFLMAO:


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