Kylian Mbappé

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The only reason so many users here have eaten this "super talented players are bad for the team" drivel is because it's a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that we can't afford any of them. If prime Neymar at the age of 24 became available, you'd all take him. If prime Messi came along, you'd all take him too. It's sickening watching some of you trying to justify and rationalize how a 23 year old player capable of scoring 30+ goals a season and changing the game completely by himself, already the best left winger in the world, is somehow "bad" for the team. As if having a team of budget wingers and forwards like Adama, Dembele, Luuk is somehow better than having a team with Mbappes, prime Neymar, Messis, and prime Aguero. As if a team of elite players/super stars are incapable of "playing as a team." Quite literally, the most succesful teams domestically and in Europe throughout the 2010s were squads filled with super stars/the best players in their positions; from MSN Barcelona, to Zidane's Madrid, Jupp's Bayern, to Klopp's Liverpool; they all had multiple top players in their positions. Quite literally the only exception to that trend was Chelsea in 2012 and 2021. Like seriously "uh guys i actually prefer a team with budget players because they're a real team...ew the best players in the world."

Lmao, get real.

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well said lap
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Chelsea 2021 proves you can still win playing as a team so idk

All teams play as a team. It just happens that the 2021 Chelsea side didn't have many prominent stars, or generational talents. Even though they poured truck loads of cash into that team.

People get things mixed up and think that what we had in Messi's last 2 seasons was kind of a strategy by the club so many get to the conclusion that having superstars is a failed approach. It happened like that because the players we bought to complement Messi have either been bums or a poor fit.

In reality having superstars(best players around) will increase massively your chances of success. Just look at our star studded squads in 2009, 2011, 2015(best attack ever with 3 massive stars?).

You just have to have a good strategy and a competent manager.
 
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topt

Senior Member
All teams play as a team. It just happens that the 2021 Chelsea side didn't have many prominent stars, or generational talents. Even though they poured truck loads of cash into that team.

People get things mixed up and think that what we had in Messi's last 2 seasons was kind of a strategy by the club so many get to the conclusion that having superstars is a failed approach. It happened like that because the players we bought to complement Messi have either been bums or a poor fit.

In reality having superstars(best players around) will increase massively your chances of success. Just look at our star studded squads in 2009, 2011, 2015(best attack ever with 3 massive stars?).

You just have to have a good strategy and a competent manager.
PSG dont
 

malvolio

Senior Member

They played pretty well for 150 minutes vs Madrid, if they didn't collapse everyone would have said they are one of the favorites.

There are several problems with PSG and it all comes down to how they approached the squad building:
- they jumped at the opportunity to get some players because the market opportunity was there and not because they planned their squad like that. see how they got messi, a player very similar to current neymar in style of play and position occupied on the pitch
- managers come and go every season and it's hard for them to implement their tactics and squad building strategy
- many players are bought without studying them on a personality level and how they would integrate in the team
- big drop in quality when you compare defense-midfield-attack. excluding veratti, their midfield contains some bums

So the problem with PSG is not following a clear strategy, with a Pep/Klopp manager at the helm who has a free hand in modeling their squad how they wish. Of course that buying players just to raise status or because the opportunity is there will affect the way you perform.

But that doesn't mean that star studded teams can't play collectively or can't have good understanding/chemistry on the pitch.
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
All teams play as a team. It just happens that the 2021 Chelsea side didn't have many prominent stars, or generational talents. Even though they poured truck loads of cash into that team.

People get things mixed up and think that what we had in Messi's last 2 seasons was kind of a strategy by the club so many get to the conclusion that having superstars is a failed approach. It happened like that because the players we bought to complement Messi have either been bums or a poor fit.

In reality having superstars(best players around) will increase massively your chances of success. Just look at our star studded squads in 2009, 2011, 2015(best attack ever with 3 massive stars?).

You just have to have a good strategy and a competent manager.

It's a stupid fallacy, isn't? People here are acting as if there are only two options: playing as a team, or having great players in your team...as if they're mutually exclusive. It's funny watching the rationalizations, you know it's only a thing because our club can't afford these players.

Chelsea would be doing a lot better in the league if they actually had quality forwards that could score goals and perform at a high level consistently. Chelsea's current league run is showing that just being well drilled and tactically competent isn't enough, what's making them lose points against Liverpool and Manchester City is their lack of quality upfront.

If Havertz, Pullisic, Ziyech, Hudson Odoi and Lukaku weren't duds upfront the PL would be a 3 horse race right now.
 
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Morten

Senior Member
Briliant goal.

Edit : great assist as well, almost as broken irl as in FIFA, almost.
 
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Total-Football

Senior Member
He would kill in la laliga.lord benzema is 34 and scoring for fun. Laliga is open space season because its an offensive league as opposed to calcio or premierleague. Injury free he would easily score +30 every season. Whereas halaand is more of a premierleague type of player. Its a shame mbappe was born to play for a team like barca.
 

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