Penal Madrid

[Ryu Hayabusa]

I really hope they fire Ancelotti. Real wouldn't be a serious CL contender for years.

 

[El Gato]

Unlucky? you can blame it on Carlo's lack of rotating and dumb decision to play Ramos in midfield. That's exactly what Perez might do.

Well yes, there is that, but when two of the unquestionably most important playmakers get injured for more than 2 months each you're pretty much guaranteed to lose out. January and February wouldn't be as bad if Luka and James didn't get injured. They're the ones that open up the play. The difference is night and day. Isco is good-to-great but he doesn't do what they do. He draws attention, he can take people on, but does he create openings? Meh. How do you rotate to remediate that?... Xabi fucking off to Bayern didn't help in the least since him and Luka, and Illarra or Khedira to a much lesser extent, are the only ones capable of playing the holding mid. Lucas was bought in for fairly cheap money to no avail since he's just another backroom guy and needs to go on loan. Casemiro is back to rotate and fill in the Khedira role to be the running muscle, but we still need another holding dude with an eye for a passing lane.

Ramos in midfield is nothing, but a short term fix. Playing Illarra out of the blue who's not into the system wouldn't fix the issue. Carlo did make mistakes of not playing him more vs bottom half of the table more and insisted on giving Kroos 4000 minutes, but he was the only one who knew what was needed in the winter.

Carlo ain't to blame. There is so many things that could have gone differently. What if Ronaldo scored that penalty against Valencia? What if Carvajal had a better competition than Arbeloa who's done? What if Coentrao was more reliable in training and less moody?

There is a reason why 6 months ago Lucho was the one to get a sack and Carlo had no reason to worry (prior to Modric injury)...

 

[Leo_Messi]

It would be absolutely hilarious if Pérez appointed Zidane as the manager. I can't see that end well. A manager with little experience and who has shown nothing for Real Madrid Castilla. In fact he has failed miserably this season.

Carlo might have failed to win a league title in his two years but at least he won the much sought after "Décima".

I fail to see much better managers out there than Carlo. Especially now that he will probably learn from his mistakes. If he stays next season it would surprise me a lot if he did not rotate more and if he did not strengthen the depth of the squad.

In any case Pérez has been a great source of fun for us fans since he took over in 2009. Sadly he has only got 2 years left.

 

[Vlom]

Bale got abused again.

He just got insulted this time, they were also chanting "Casillas eres un topo" and "Florentino Demission", apparently it was a small group of ultras.

Firing Carlo is the dumbest thing this team could do. One unlucky season should no decide about the manager's fate.

That's just how Florentino rolls, I like Carlo, and except may be the rotations (who know how free he actually is to bench bbc&james) he's been a good coach to RM, gentlmen, the squad loves him.. they should find a way to improve on this and try to do better next season.

But the reality is Florentino will get Klopp if he can, no matter how much it'd change the style, if the players fit the system, or whatever ^^

 

[MaxY]

Even if I was a RM fan,I would still find RM fans the worst fans in the world.

Yap,one of the worst. RM and Barca have the worst fans, abusing their own players.

 

[MaxY]

Firing Carlo is the dumbest thing this team could do. One unlucky season should no decide about the manager's fate.

His lack of rotations and stubbornness is unreal. Why didn't he sub in Jese last night when we were desperately looking for a goal? He used 1 out of 3 subs. He needs improve on that. I can't blame him that much since our bench is shit but still. I'm hoping that he'll stay and improve on it or go to another club.

 

[raskolnikov]

Well yes, there is that, but when two of the unquestionably most important playmakers get injured for more than 2 months each you're pretty much guaranteed to lose out. January and February wouldn't be as bad if Luka and James didn't get injured. They're the ones that open up the play. The difference is night and day. Isco is good-to-great but he doesn't do what they do. He draws attention, he can take people on, but does he create openings? Meh. How do you rotate to remediate that?... Xabi fucking off to Bayern didn't help in the least since him and Luka, and Illarra or Khedira to a much lesser extent, are the only ones capable of playing the holding mid. Lucas was bought in for fairly cheap money to no avail since he's just another backroom guy and needs to go on loan. Casemiro is back to rotate and fill in the Khedira role to be the running muscle, but we still need another holding dude with an eye for a passing lane.

Ramos in midfield is nothing, but a short term fix. Playing Illarra out of the blue who's not into the system wouldn't fix the issue. Carlo did make mistakes of not playing him more vs bottom half of the table more and insisted on giving Kroos 4000 minutes, but he was the only one who knew what was needed in the winter.

Carlo ain't to blame. There is so many things that could have gone differently. What if Ronaldo scored that penalty against Valencia? What if Carvajal had a better competition than Arbeloa who's done? What if Coentrao was more reliable in training and less moody?

There is a reason why 6 months ago Lucho was the one to get a sack and Carlo had no reason to worry (prior to Modric injury)...

I would never sack him either but with Perez you never know what might happen.

 

[Ritchie]

I really hope they fire Ancelotti. Real wouldn't be a serious CL contender for years.

There's no real upgrade. Obviously they aren't getting Pep, Mourinho's been and gone, Simeone's not feasible. Heynckes has retired.

Who are they looking at beyond that? Ancelotti is the only other manager on that level. Beyond that they're looking at Klopp or a flavour of the month.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Zidane

 

[Ini8]

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Klopp, huh. Sounds like BS. He said that he won't manage in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Money could change his mind though.

What else did they say tonight on that show? [MENTION=15731]Sumlit[/MENTION] [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION]

 

[Devils]

Zidane

Can't see how that could possibly go wrong.

 

[DonAK]

[tw]598994135756853248[/tw]

Klopp, huh. Sounds like BS. He said that he won't manage in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Money could change his mind though.

What else did they say tonight on that show? [MENTION=15731]Sumlit[/MENTION] [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION]

It's Francois Gallardo. You'll find people more reliable than him in a mental asylum.

 

[Sumlit]

It's Francois though, so if he says RM are negotiating with Klopp, then you can almost guarantee it's the exact opposite.

That being said, would love Klopp at RM. He's so not the type to be an Uncle Flo puppet or deal too well with all the nonsense that comes with being a RM manager. The explosion will reach atomic proportions.

 

[KingMessi]

Seems Carlo is done at RM.

Fantastic post I saw on reddit about Real Madrid's "Eternal Managerial Cycle:"

The eternal cycle of Real Madrid:

Tyrant period (Mou, Heynckes, Capello, Camacho) The team is working, and they win titles, but the internal problems caused by the instated meritocracy (You play only if you train well) and the try to distance the sport media from the team kills the manager.

Pacificator/Happy period (Ancelotti, Del Bosque, Pellegrini) The players still fearing the return of the tyrant run and train well the first year, the team still works, mostly because the tactic work of the past tyrant. Normally this stage ends with titles in the first year (Except Pellegrini)

Barbecue period The tyrant tactics are totally forgotten and so is the fear. The incompetence of the Manager is an evidence (He was only living of the last manager work). The team has 1 or 2 different managers every season. This is the time when players and managers increase their handicap capacity (Golf handicap of course). No one runs and the team wins nothing. The media and the fans asks for a new tyrant to put order in the dressing room. Its not rare to see this stage ending with the president leaving the club.

CICLO MADRIDISTA

ETAPA CAUDILLO - ETAPA HAPPY - ETAPA ASADOR - ETAPA CAUDILLO - ETAPA HAPPY - ETAPA ASADOR -

LA ETAPA HAPPY surge por aclamación popular inducida por la prensa, ávida de poder, aprovechando el desgaste provocado en la plantilla por el gobierno de un entrenador considerado como "duro". Los medios se encomiendan al "buen juego" y al "señorio" para tratar de recuperar la imagen que "se dice" ha perdido el club en el periodo anterior. El proyecto esta liderado por un entrenador de buenas formas y mejores intenciones. El buen rollito es el denominador común en las redacciones y emisoras de radio que suelen abonar los inicios de dicha etapa apostando por un proyecto que auguran de largo plazo. Los jugadores se muestran esperanzados y el vestuario unido. Salvo excepciones (Pellegrini) las etapas HAPPYS suelen empezar con título toda vez que los jugadores desdoblan su rendimiento y compromiso para ahuyentar el peligro de un nuevo caudillo y, lo que es mas importante, la amenaza del publico señalándoles, esta vez a ellos, ante un segundo fracaso consecutivo. Pese a los éxitos la sensación de fragilidad es manifiesta pero la presencia de rapsodas embaucadores ayuda a crear la sensación contraria.

LA ETAPA ASADOR, en honor a los grandes asadores de la ciudad, Txistu y Donostiarra, prosigue sin excepción a toda etapa HAPPY. Se caracteriza por ser un periodo de decadencia, sin títulos y de una gran reciclaje de entrenadores. Los entrenadores elegidos suelen carecer de nivel incluso en grado cuasicomico. Durante estos periodos algunos jugadores, así como directores y subdirectores de medios, suelen ganar un peso excesivo para la practica del fútbol y el periodismo, como consecuencia de las incesantes exclusivas concedidas en dicho locales de restauración. A otros jugadores que no son de buen comer pero si de buen beber se les puede reconocer por su propensión a tatuarse, durante esas etapas, cualquier parte del cuerpo. Por lo general, es una etapa de despiporre indisimulado que no pocas veces termina con la destitución de un presidente. El vestuario se dispersa en camarillas por lo general coincidente con las diferentes nacionalidades y los capitanes, ante el desgobierno generalizado, toman el mando del club mientras los periodistas realizan pillaje informativo. El equipo fracasa estrepitosamente en el plano deportivo si bien el handicap (de golf) de no pocos jugadores y técnicos mejora sustancialmente.

LA ETAPA CAUDILLO sigue a la ASADOR. Se caracteriza por la contratación de un cacique reclamado por el publico para poner orden en Sodoma y Gomorra. El juego del equipo trata de adquirir consistencia. El vestuario se somete a la disciplina del mister poniendo buena cara aunque cagandose en su pvta madre por las concentraciones, las dobles sesiones de entrenamiento y la meritocracia. Aprovechando el caracter osco del entrenador la prensa, que a mitad de temporada ya ha perdido varios quilos, trata de predisponer al publico contra el mismo bajo los argumentos del futbol poco vistoso, la falta de señorio (consustancial al club) y la poca presencia de canteranos (aunque en otras etapas tambien brillan por su ausencia). Por lo general las etapas Caudillo suelen reportar titulos y seriedad pero la crispación y la inestabilidad institucional ocasionada por el enfrentamiento entre medios y cuerpo tecnico termina por invitar, a estos, a poner fin al proyecto. Hay etapas Caudillo que han durado varios años (Mourinho) y otras de caracter relampago (Camacho).

En AZUL temporadas en los que no se ha ganado NINGUN TITULO, a la derecha TITULOS y POSICION EN CHAMPIONS

POST QUINTA DEL BUITRE
1994-1995 Valdano LIGA OCTAVOS 1995-1996 Valdano/Arsenio Iglesias CUARTOS 1996-1997 Capello LIGA

QUINTA DEL FERRARI
1997-1998 Heynckes CHAMPIONS 1998-1999 Camacho/Hiddink CUARTOS 1999-2000 Toshack/Del Bosque CHAMPIONS 2000-2001 Del Bosque LIGA SEMIFINALES

GALACTICOS
2001-2002 Del Bosque CHAMPIONS 2002-2003 Del Bosque LIGA SEMIFINALES 2003-2004 Queiroz CUARTOS 2004-2005 Camacho/Garcia Remon/ Luxemburgo OCTAVOS 2005-2006 Luxemburgo/Lopez Caro OCTAVOS

EL TRIUNVIRATO
2006-2007 Capello LIGA OCTAVOS 2007-2008 Schuster LIGA OCTAVOS 2008-2009 Schuster/Juande Ramos OCTAVOS 2009-2010 Pellegrini OCTAVOS

SUDAFRICANOS
2010-2011 Mourinho COPA SEMIFINALES 2011-2012 Mourinho LIGA SEMIFINALES 2012-2013 Mourinho SEMIFINALES

Es obvio por tanto, que estamos en visperas de iniciar un periodo HAPPY

 

[Luftstalag14]

Maybe they will convince Heynckes to come out of retirement.