Pep Guardiola

[Garrus]

Very much so, with some people just blindly turning to Rosell supporters in this time for the sole purpose of spiting Guardiola because he's become the new target in a transfer saga that wasn't even caused by him but rooted with problems created by none other than Sandro. Pep isn't out to get the club at all, simply looking out for his own interests at his new club in peace while Rosell and his new group of Pep-haters are busy complaining about how Pep is targeting Barcelona's staff, players, and transfers as if they are oh so innocent.

The thing I don't get most is how some could actually dare to call Pep a disloyal traitor who was always selfish and never cared about the club. A few foreign, obscure fans on the internet bringing it upon themselves to condemn a man who was born into the club, legend as a player, even more massive as a coach. A man who was at the heart of the club's greatest success and personally endured their downfalls. He poured his blood, sweat, and tears into the club and brought upon the greatest team ever seen, only for it to be torn down little by little by a business-savvy, robotic power seeker and then have his very own fans turn on him due to bitter emotions about the circumstances of his departure. Fans seriously aren't grateful for a person who is arguably the greatest thing ever to happen to the club, instead wishing him ill will at his new club because of the possible transfer of a player that Barcelona themselves drove out.

But fuck it, some fans are always looking for a target to blame and Pep is nothing but another name in this long list of scapegoats. This saga has brought upon some apeshit and fanatic reactions, but I guess it's only natural for an angry mob to search for a monster to chase.

"A few foreign, obscure fans on the internet"???, And who the hell are you exactly?
He had the 3rd highest salary of a football coach in the world, 9 million euros a year, His work for us wasn't a charity, It was his job, He made the current barca team as much as they made him what he is today, He wouldn't have been this highly sought out for coach if it wasn't for the players that he was provided, And that's barca's.
He had no respect for the club that made him and specially no respect the 80 thousands people who gave him a standing ovation on his last day in camp nou, Cause weather you or me like it or not, Many of these probably liked thiago, And hoped to see him in barca, Only to find out that the coach they once clapped for took him for his own 'personal interest', As you wonderfully put it, And unless you can give me undeniable proof that thiago was going to leave anyway weather pep wanted him or not, And pep knew this, My point stands.
So stop trying to look morally superior to everyone else, Because you're not.

 

[Galning]

at people blaming Pep for Thiago leaving.

 

[Keikoku]

When I open this thread, my playlist started changed the song to "Viva La Vida"

*gotta watch CL finals again* (the review, so save abit time) XD

 

[Tomchin]

Not sure if this vid has been posted already (Fcbarca posted it another website), Pep's interview with English subtitles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5nc1dfQlw

(don't forget to enable the subtitles)

 

[Corb]

at people blaming Pep for Thiago leaving.

It is like those guys who blame the other lads for stealing their girlfriends instead of blaming her.

 

[Mr Hulot]

It is like those guys who blame the other lads for stealing their girlfriends instead of blaming her.

A more appropriate example would be like, when one of your best friends "steals" your girlfriend. In that case you will surely be a little bit disappointed in your friend as well.

Anyway:

 

[Stric]

A more appropriate example would be like, when one of your best friends "steals" your girlfriend. In that case you will surely be a little bit disappointed in your friend as well.

An even more appropriate example would be like, if you treat your girlfriend badly, show her you don't really care if she leaves you or not and point to the door, and she does leave you for your friend who will treat her better. It's still her who leaves, and if she's really good looking (and has low maintenance costs), you can't really blame your friend for accepting her.

 

[DonAndres]

"A few foreign, obscure fans on the internet"???, And who the hell are you exactly?
He had the 3rd highest salary of a football coach in the world, 9 million euros a year, His work for us wasn't a charity, It was his job, He made the current barca team as much as they made him what he is today, He wouldn't have been this highly sought out for coach if it wasn't for the players that he was provided, And that's barca's.
He had no respect for the club that made him and specially no respect the 80 thousands people who gave him a standing ovation on his last day in camp nou, Cause weather you or me like it or not, Many of these probably liked thiago, And hoped to see him in barca, Only to find out that the coach they once clapped for took him for his own 'personal interest', As you wonderfully put it, And unless you can give me undeniable proof that thiago was going to leave anyway weather pep wanted him or not, And pep knew this, My point stands.
So stop trying to look morally superior to everyone else, Because you're not.

I don't even understand the logic behind this. I'm not claiming to be any different as a fan, but really it's just crazy when someone like that has the guts to call the one of the greatest people that ever worked for the club a "traitor". Barca provided for him and he returned, it doesn't have to be a "charity case" for him to be a massive legend and influence on our club.

He had 'no respect' for the thousands of people at his last day? Did you not hear his speech, did you not see him cry? You really can't justify saying that the man who is this important for us has no respect for the club or fans especially without any solid evidence that you constantly request me to have. It's all assumption and a pretty false one at that, I don't understand how you are making this out to be some kind of concrete point when it has no basis of it's own?

What the hell? So now you're asking me for proof to deny that Thiago left because of Pep? Pep wasn't responsible for the clause in his contract being activated (something Rosell even said was true). Pep wasn't responsible for Thiago being previously unhappy at the club and refusing to speak about his future commitment (a sign that he was already thinking about a move). The only thing Pep did was offer Thiago a future with him (his favored coach) once the player already had one foot out the door. However the hell this makes Pep a disrespectful traitor is beyond me when it's clearly professional, yet you and a bunch of others are taking it as a personal offense simply due to bitterness. Why don't you give me proof that Pep unsettled Thiago if that point "stands"?

 

[darthvader7888]

An even more appropriate example would be like, if you treat your girlfriend badly, show her you don't really care if she leaves you or not and point to the door, and she does leave you for your friend who will treat her better. It's still her who leaves, and if she's really good looking (and has low maintenance costs), you can't really blame your friend for accepting her.

Dat analogy

 

[Aryagorn]

I know it's wishful thinking on my part... But could it be that Pep has announced his desire to sign Thiago only for the kid to reject Utd for now?
Within two weeks his buy-out clause would actually raise to 90M and it would be like a breath of fresh air!!

 

[Mr Hulot]

An even more appropriate example would be like, if you treat your girlfriend badly, show her you don't really care if she leaves you or not and point to the door, and she does leave you for your friend who will treat her better. It's still her who leaves, and if she's really good looking (and has low maintenance costs), you can't really blame your friend for accepting her.

I would still blame my firend for taking her
It's crazy, but I have never shared a girlfriend with a friend...

 

[Garrus]

I don't even understand the logic behind this. I'm not claiming to be any different as a fan, but really it's just crazy when someone like that has the guts to call the one of the greatest people that ever worked for the club a "traitor". Barca provided for him and he returned, it doesn't have to be a "charity case" for him to be a massive legend and influence on our club.

He had 'no respect' for the thousands of people at his last day? Did you not hear his speech, did you not see him cry? You really can't justify saying that the man who is this important for us has no respect for the club or fans especially without any solid evidence that you constantly request me to have. It's all assumption and a pretty false one at that, I don't understand how you are making this out to be some kind of concrete point when it has no basis of it's own?

What the hell? So now you're asking me for proof to deny that Thiago left because of Pep? Pep wasn't responsible for the clause in his contract being activated (something Rosell even said was true). Pep wasn't responsible for Thiago being previously unhappy at the club and refusing to speak about his future commitment (a sign that he was already thinking about a move). The only thing Pep did was offer Thiago a future with him (his favored coach) once the player already had one foot out the door. However the hell this makes Pep a disrespectful traitor is beyond me when it's clearly professional, yet you and a bunch of others are taking it as a personal offense simply due to bitterness. Why don't you give me proof that Pep unsettled Thiago if that point "stands"?

Anyone can say what ever they want about anyone, Weather you like it or not, Let's get this out of the way first.
Hear his speech?, See him cry?, Are you going to keep dodging the point like that, Stay on topic, This is about his current actions.
His first signing after leaving barca, Is a barca player, How about that for an evidence of disrespectfulness, Not only he is a barca player, But considered by many cules a youngster for the future, I'm sure many of which clapped for him on his last day, I wonder what they think about him now, Even from the point view of simple decency, He should've kept his hands away from the club.
The only way for guardiola can look good after this, Is if thiago was going to surely leave anyway, And pep knew it, But you can't guarantee that can you?, That's why he deserves what he's getting now, And i don't feel sorry for him.
I'll mention it again in case you try to dodge it again:
first signing after leaving barca, Is a barca player

 

[Cule4life]

1. I cant believe some people are blaming Pep for the possible departure of Thiago and completely absolving Tito and Rosell who are the real culprits here. Remember if we had a competent manager who didnt prefer to play a 33 year old Xavi every match (however meaningless) over an exciting prospect and a competent president who would have found a better coach or atleast let Tito know about Thiago's clause we wouldnt be in this position in the first place.
2. People are talking as if Thiago playing under Pep is unpardonable but the same people seem to have no problem or are not talking about Thiago working under David Moyes. Seems like Thiago is just a tool to bash Pep and a distraction for the criticism that Rosell and Tito should be getting
3. Pep is now the manager of Bayern. How can you blame him for looking out for his club's interests. What if he said that Tito would not know how to play Neymar and Messi together. Seeing Tito's incompetence this is not that far fetched. Plus he wanted to bring Neymar to Bayern and is justified in trying his best to do so. Nowhere has he discredited Barca as a club
4. Pep lost his hair while giving his all to Barca. Being the manager of Bayern wont make that go away. Some people easily forget this. Pep doesnt need to prove he loves Barca to any of us. His record is there for everyone to see. Many of the people bashing Pep would do anything to have him back at Barca.

 

[ebc_99]

An even more appropriate example would be like, if you treat your girlfriend badly, show her you don't really care if she leaves you or not and point to the door, and she does leave you for your friend who will treat her better. It's still her who leaves, and if she's really good looking (and has low maintenance costs), you can't really blame your friend for accepting her.

But Barca did not treat Thiago badly, he was treated as should be expected. He is looking for game time in competition with Xavi and Iniesta who are the greatest midfield partnership ever. He is not good enough yet but rather than wait and fight it out he leaves to Bayern where he will probably have the same problem.

It's like treating your girlfriend with love and respect but she wants you to wait on her hand and foot and treat her like a princess but you have more self respect than that so you let her leave if she wants to. And then your friend starts dating her and she will want the same thing and you can sit back and let your friend deal with it and in time she will realise what an idiot she is.

 

[ebc_99]

1. I cant believe some people are blaming Pep for the possible departure of Thiago and completely absolving Tito and Rosell who are the real culprits here. Remember if we had a competent manager who didnt prefer to play a 33 year old Xavi every match (however meaningless) over an exciting prospect and a competent president who would have found a better coach or atleast let Tito know about Thiago's clause we wouldnt be in this position in the first place.
2. People are talking as if Thiago playing under Pep is unpardonable but the same people seem to have no problem or are not talking about Thiago working under David Moyes. Seems like Thiago is just a tool to bash Pep and a distraction for the criticism that Rosell and Tito should be getting
3. Pep is now the manager of Bayern. How can you blame him for looking out for his club's interests. What if he said that Tito would not know how to play Neymar and Messi together. Seeing Tito's incompetence this is not that far fetched. Plus he wanted to bring Neymar to Bayern and is justified in trying his best to do so. Nowhere has he discredited Barca as a club
4. Pep lost his hair while giving his all to Barca. Being the manager of Bayern wont make that go away. Some people easily forget this. Pep doesnt need to prove he loves Barca to any of us. His record is there for everyone to see. Many of the people bashing Pep would do anything to have him back at Barca.

I blame Pep because he was the manager in charge when the clause was put into the contract and now he is taking advantage of his mistake at another club. If Pep does not try to sign Thiago then he will stay at Barca.