Pep Guardiola
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But he got a really high points total in the league lots of times. That's what matters right?
JamDav1982
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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uff tough statement
Kloppo did very well at the clubs where he was (Mainz, Dortmund, Liverpool)
I mean clubs like Dortmund and Liverpool could only dream of a cl final before he arrived there and he managed to reach 4 cl finals with these clubs
Yeah he lost 3 of them but he didnt lose it against some b-clubs, vs Heynckes Bayern and Real you can lose it
Unlike Carlo and Pep he never was at a club like Bayern, Real or Barca
Hope he goes to Germany, with him they have a good chance to a WC/EURO again and would be a good ending of his coaching career
khaled_a_d
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"Could only dream is a strong statement tbh. Liverpool was in CL final 8 years before his arrival, a champion a decade before his arrival. European success was always on the table with a good coach, they weren't some small club, clubs like this suffer from crisis but once they rebuild they come back with ambition. Same for BVB who reached finals before and after him.
He is an amazing coach who, as you said, has left his mark in his clubs. But when you compare him to other legends, he gets a bit overrated
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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8 years is a long time dude but i meant to the time when he took over these clubs i dont think anyone expected that he will reach cl finals with them so fast, especially Dortmund....
Carlo and Pep are tier 1 because of their trophies and gameplay, tbh i think Kloppo would be over Carlo if he would have coached Real as he would have also won some cls and some ll titles with Real, at Everton or Napoli Ancelotti failed for example but he seems to do well with big clubs especially in cl
So all in all i feel Kloppo wasted a bit his career, he could have won much much more at a tier 1 club
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Birdy
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Totally clueless statement.
Klopp did the unthinkable 3 TIMES in a row, with 3 different clubs: Mainz, Dortmund, Liverpool
Transcended several tiers with these teams that no other coach in the world could.
Study what he did and stop writing nonsense
jamrock
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I appreciate your opinion on a few things
Coaching isn't one of them.
There IS NOTHING klopp has done in his career to even set at the same table as the likes of Carlo and pep.
Oh look at me, I know how to lose better than other coaches 😂 .
Birdy
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Yes, could have done better in CL, but he was really unlucky in seasons where he should and could have won it.
In particular:
11/12 Barca totally annihilated that Chelsea and somehow got eliminated. No one doubts that we would have won it in that final against that Bayern
15/16 Bayern best team in Europe, should have won it, got unluckily out by Pathetico in that SF
18/19 City got out by Spurs in totally undeserving and unlucky fashion
21/22 City totally dominated Madrid in that 2nd leg, Madrid did not have a single chance before that voodoo 2 min spell in injury time
Just look at these 4 cases, not even talking about seasons they deserved to go out (e.g, Lyon, Monaco, this season, Bayern Madrid SF, etc.)
Being so unlucky in crucial CL games, and his CL tally is only 1 in 13 years, but could have been 5 in 13 and that changes the perspective
PS: Same for KLopp. Lost that 2022 final totally undeservingly. 2018 final was balanced, no team dominated, but Ramos and Karius did him dirty.
3 Cls instead of 1 changes the perspective as well
Birdy
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I just cited 3 achievements in Klopp's career with different teams at different tiers that Carlo would not be able to do in 5 lifes. I did not even talk about how he changed football itself
Carlo WAS once a good tactician (back in early 2000s) but has stopped being one since more than 10 years ago.
We saw his real level at Napoli and Everton.
PS: You are damn clueless about football.
Friendly advise: Change sport
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